[Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before: search - download - unzip - cmd - cd - python setup.py install Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct user how to

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before:  search - download - unzip - cmd - cd - python setup.py install

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package that instruct user how to download and install an actual package  management tool when users tries to use it. So far I know only one stable tool - `easy_install` - a

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:02 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: [..] distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about dependencies. At this point, no one knows anything about installed

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: [..] Depending on how you call a Python user, I disagree here. Many people use pip and distribute. s/how/who :) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Nick Coghlan
anatoly techtonik wrote: So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before: Until the discussed package management tools support a robust inventory and uninstallation system that plays well with

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: [..] distutils is not a `package management` tool, because it doesn't know anything even about installed packages, not saying anything about dependencies. At this point, no one knows anything about installed packages

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Anatoly, I am now answering only in Distutils-SIG. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: [..] ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread anatoly techtonik
2010/3/29 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com: anatoly techtonik wrote: So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before: Until the discussed package management tools support a robust inventory and

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 16:21, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: Just a thought about user story my customers would likely write if I shipped Python as a product: As a user, I think Python is suxx, because it makes its users suffer for a long time from packaging disorder. So fix

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Larry Hastings
anatoly techtonik wrote: So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before: search - download - unzip - cmd - cd - python setup.py install Therefore I still propose shipping bootstrap package

Re: [Python-Dev] Bootstrap script for package management tool in Python 2.7 (Was: Re: [Distutils] At least one package management tool for 2.7)

2010-03-29 Thread Ian Bicking
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: anatoly techtonik wrote: So, there won't be any package management tool shipped with Python 2.7 and users will have to download and install `setuptools` manually as before: search - download - unzip - cmd - cd -