On 9/10/2013 8:08 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that
tries to unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and another
one by Donald Stufft.)
Seems to be in all of them. Probably added by the mailing list software.
Why don't you
On Sep 10, 2013, at 08:08 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that tries to
>unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and another one by Donald
>Stufft.)
This is way off topic, but I suspect your original response didn't trim your
lit
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:28:25AM -0400, Donald Stufft
wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> > Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that tries to
> > unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and another one by Donald
> > Stufft.)
> >
On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that tries to
> unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and another one by Donald
> Stufft.)
>
> (Come to think of it, what's the point of having an Unbub link in eve
Why do several posts in this thread have an Unsubscribe link that tries to
unsubscribe me from the list? (I saw one by Glen, and another one by Donald
Stufft.)
(Come to think of it, what's the point of having an Unbub link in ever
message that goes out?)
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Glenn L
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Am 05.09.13 19:31, schrieb Jesus Cea:
> What are you using?. bugs.python.org admins could share some data?
Most users use one of the large services:
https://www.google.com 3326
https://login.launchpad.net 335
https://*.myopenid.com 253
https://launch
Ok, can this discussion go off python-dev, please? This has been
terribly off-topic for a long time (arguably from the beginning,
actually).
Thank you
Antoine.
Le Tue, 10 Sep 2013 00:21:28 -0700,
Glenn Linderman a écrit :
> On 9/6/2013 10:22 AM, Dan Callahan wrote:
> > On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Je
On 9/6/2013 10:22 AM, Dan Callahan wrote:
On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
I have big hopes for Mozilla Persona, looking forward
Python infrastructure support :).
Hi, I'm the project lead on Persona signin, and I spoke at PyCon
earlier this year regarding why and how Mozilla is building P
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Barry Warsaw writes:
> > We're open source, and I think it benefits our mission to support open,
> > decentralized, and free systems like OpenID and Persona.
>
> Thus speaks an employee of yet another Provider-That-Won't-Accept-My-
>
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 09:46:58PM +0400, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:39:11AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi
> wrote:
> > So OpenID fails as a truly generic SSO method across sites on the
> > internet... what have we found it good for then? SSO within our site.
>
>I.e., OpenI
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:39:11AM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi
wrote:
> So OpenID fails as a truly generic SSO method across sites on the
> internet... what have we found it good for then? SSO within our site.
I.e., OpenID could be good for core developers (using @python.org
email adresses as IDs
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On 06/09/13 21:34, R. David Murray wrote:
> Note that I said that single signon *itself* was overrated. If you
> use the same token to authenticate to multiple sites (and here the
> 'token' is the email address) then your identities on those sites
> a
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Jesus Cea wrote:
> Sorry, Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc., are not acceptable OpenID
> providers for me. I should have made that point in my original email.
> My excuses.
>
> Any other suggestion?
As Barry mentioned earlier, launchpad.net. Look for the 'lp' icon o
On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:34 PM, "R. David Murray" wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 15:17:12 -0400, Donald Stufft wrote:
>> On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:11 PM, "R. David Murray" wrote:
>>
>>> IMO, single signon is overrated. Especially if one prefers not to make
>>> it easy for various accounts to be automat
On Sep 6, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Dan Callahan wrote:
> On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
>> I have big hopes for Mozilla Persona, looking forward
>> Python infrastructure support :).
>
> Hi, I'm the project lead on Persona signin, and I spoke at PyCon earlier this
> year regarding why and how Mo
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 15:17:12 -0400, Donald Stufft wrote:
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:11 PM, "R. David Murray" wrote:
>
> > IMO, single signon is overrated. Especially if one prefers not to make
> > it easy for various accounts to be automatically associated with one
> > another by various entities w
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:53:00 -0400, Donald Stufft wrote:
>
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Dan Callahan wrote:
>
> > On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
> >> I have big hopes for Mozilla Persona, looking forward
> >> Python infrastructure support :).
> >
> > Hi, I'm the project lead on Persona
On Sep 6, 2013, at 3:11 PM, "R. David Murray" wrote:
> IMO, single signon is overrated. Especially if one prefers not to make
> it easy for various accounts to be automatically associated with one
> another by various entities who shall remain nameless but have been in
> the news a lot lately :
On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
I have big hopes for Mozilla Persona, looking forward
Python infrastructure support :).
Hi, I'm the project lead on Persona signin, and I spoke at PyCon earlier
this year regarding why and how Mozilla is building Persona. If you'd
like some more background
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On 05/09/13 20:45, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> PS: I use "http://www.jcea.es/"; as my OpenID identity, and I
> delegate the actual service to "myOpenID". I can switch delegation
> trivially.
>
> http://bugs.python.org/?@action=openid_login&provider=Google
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On 05/09/13 22:29, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> I have seen exactly 0 (zero) sites that support Persona. Can you
> point me?
"Python España" (Python Spain) association is going to provide Persona
Only login. Deployment in four weeks.
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On 05/09/13 23:56, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> Well, I can only use services that are available, not those that
> are promised. If python.org grows support for Persona -- who will
> be my provider and for what price? I am not going to install and
> manage
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On 05/09/13 22:36, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> There was no demise. Because there was no take-off. OpenID was
> never popular. I can remember a very limited set of major sites
> that allow login using OpenID: SourceForge, LiveJournal, BitBucket.
> The first
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On 05/09/13 21:53, Ben Finney wrote:
> My own take is that most people choose convenience and expedience
> over security and freedom, hence Facebook and Twitter and Google
> have taken over the online identity game instead of a federated
> identity sys
Barry Warsaw writes:
> On Sep 06, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> > You cannot login using OpenID to most interesting popular sites.
> >GMail? No. Twitter? No. Facebook? FriendFeed? identi.ca? No, no, no.
>
> I'd be surprised if you ever saw the big social networking sites support
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 05:29:07PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> I don't want my choice to be log into Facebook or manage a slew of passwords.
The last part is unavoidable. I regularly login to LiveJournal,
Twitter, SourceForge, BitBucket, Gitorious, GitHub and to hundreds of
other sites -- blo
On Sep 5, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 05:29:07PM -0400, Barry Warsaw
> wrote:
>> I don't want my choice to be log into Facebook or manage a slew of passwords.
>
> The last part is unavoidable. I regularly login to LiveJournal,
> Twitter, SourceForge, Bit
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 10:25:22PM +0400, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:16:29PM -0400, Donald Stufft
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> > > I used to use myOpenID and became my own provider using poit[1].
> > > These days I seldom use OpenI
On Sep 06, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> You cannot login using OpenID to most interesting popular sites.
>GMail? No. Twitter? No. Facebook? FriendFeed? identi.ca? No, no, no.
I'd be surprised if you ever saw the big social networking sites support
OpenID or Persona. They want to o
On Sep 06, 2013, at 01:09 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>I will change my mind when Google and GitHub start using them.
Neither Google nor GitHub are free or open. Bitbucket and Facebook aren't
either. I'm not saying they're bad services because of that of course, but I
don't want to have to rely on
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Tres Seaver
wrote:
> On 09/05/2013 04:29 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> > I have seen exactly 0 (zero) sites that support Persona. Can you point
> > me?
>
> - From the "Mozilla Identity" blog:
>
> - - https://webmaker.org/
> - - http://bornthiswayfoundation
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On 09/05/2013 04:33 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote:
> On 9/5/2013 1:30 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>> +1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all
>> *.python.org servers.
>
> Is there a Python implementation of Persona I can install on my web
>
There's some sample Python code here:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Persona/Quick_Setup
The API is so simple something generic like requests suffices.
2013/9/5 Glenn Linderman :
> On 9/5/2013 1:30 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
>
> +1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID
> Whether a given site chooses to authroize an
> authenticated-but-otherwise-unknown user to do anything meaningful is
> logically distinct.
But the least they could have done was pick a demo site that didn't do
exactly what they contend you shouldn't need to do: cough up all sorts
of personal inf
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote:
> Is there a Python implementation of Persona I can install on my web server?
If you mean to use your web server as an Identity Provider, try this:
https://bitbucket.org/djc/persona-totp
It currently only implements TOTP-based authenticati
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
> Not that it changes this statement at all but you wouldn't expect to see a
> Persona login
> for gmail as persona solves the problem that people don't think of urls as
> personal
> identifiers by replacing it with emails. So Gmail would be
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 15:40:44 -0400
Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Sep 05, 2013, at 09:07 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> >Which sites exactly? I can login to BitBucket and *.python.org using
> >OpenID, not Persona.
>
> I think Persona is just too new to see it around much yet. Or maybe Mozilla
> needs
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> I have seen exactly 0 (zero) sites that support Persona. Can you
> point me?
We have an internal app that uses Persona, but we did that mostly to
play with it.
I've not run across any sites that use Persona in the wild, either.
-Fred
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On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:07:11PM -0500, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> >> OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
> >> wouldn't live even that much. Dead-born idea, in my so humble opinion.
> >
> I was completely unaware of OpenID's demise.
There was no demise. Becaus
On Sep 5, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Sep 06, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>
>> You cannot login using OpenID to most interesting popular sites.
>> GMail? No. Twitter? No. Facebook? FriendFeed? identi.ca? No, no, no.
>
> I'd be surprised if you ever saw the big socia
On 9/5/2013 1:30 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
+1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all *.python.org
servers.
Is there a Python implementation of Persona I can install on my web server?
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On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 04:53:18PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Sep 06, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> > You cannot login using OpenID to most interesting popular sites.
> >GMail? No. Twitter? No. Facebook? FriendFeed? identi.ca? No, no, no.
>
> I'd be surprised if you ever saw th
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On 09/05/2013 04:29 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:50:44PM -0400, Donald Stufft
> wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft
>>> wrote:
Persona i
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I just received an email from my OpenID provider, "myOpenID", saying
that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
OpenID providers are used by other python-dev fellows.
What are you using?. bugs.python.org admins could share some d
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
> +1 for supporting Persona as an alternative to OpenID on all *.python.org
> servers.
BTW, I'd be happy to assist with any Persona RP implementations for
python.org services. The MDN docs are pretty good, I got my first RP
going in just a few h
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft
> wrote:
>> Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
>
> OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
> wouldn't live even that much. Dead-born idea, in my s
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:31:59 +0200
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> I just received an email from my OpenID provider, "myOpenID", saying
> that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
> OpenID providers are used by other python-dev fellows
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:50:44PM -0400, Donald Stufft
wrote:
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft
> > wrote:
> >> Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
> >
> > OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death.
Skip Montanaro writes:
> >> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft
> >> wrote:
> >>> Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
> >>
> >> OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
> >> wouldn't live even that much. Dead-born idea, in my so humble o
> I think Persona is just too new to see it around much yet. Or maybe Mozilla
> needs better PR.
The Persona site touts: "Signing in using Persona requires only a
valid email address; allowing you to provide personal information on
as-needed basis, when and where you think it’s appropriate."
The
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On 09/05/2013 03:52 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
>> I think Persona is just too new to see it around much yet. Or maybe
>> Mozilla needs better PR.
>
> The Persona site touts: "Signing in using Persona requires only a
> valid email address; allowing yo
On Sep 05, 2013, at 09:07 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>Which sites exactly? I can login to BitBucket and *.python.org using
>OpenID, not Persona.
I think Persona is just too new to see it around much yet. Or maybe Mozilla
needs better PR.
-Barry
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On Sep 05, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>Sortof The way OAuth looks to me, it's designed to prove that a given
>client is authorized to perform an action. It's not designed to prove that
>the given client is a specific person. In some cases, you really want to
>know the latter a
>> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft
>> wrote:
>>> Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
>>
>> OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
>> wouldn't live even that much. Dead-born idea, in my so humble opinion.
>
> I don't think there's muc
On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:50:44 -0400
Donald Stufft wrote:
>
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft
> > wrote:
> >> Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
> >
> > OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:53:43PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
> This probably isn't the only application of these technologies, but I've
> always thought about OAuth as delegating authority to scripts and programs to
> act on your behalf. For example, you can write a script to interact with
> L
On Thu, 05 Sep 2013 19:31:59 +0200
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> I just received an email from my OpenID provider, "myOpenID", saying
> that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
> OpenID providers are used by other python-dev fellows
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:35:16PM -0400, Donald Stufft
wrote:
> Persona is the logical successor to OpenID.
OpenID lived a short life and died a quiet death. I'm afraid Persona
wouldn't live even that much. Dead-born idea, in my so humble opinion.
Oleg.
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On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Jesus Cea wrote:
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> I just received an email from my OpenID provider, "myOpenID", saying
> that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
> OpenID providers are used by other python-dev fellows.
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:16:29PM -0400, Donald Stufft
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
>>> I used to use myOpenID and became my own provider using poit[1].
>>> These days I seldom use OpenID -- there are too
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On Sep 05, 2013, at 07:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
>I just received an email from my OpenID provider, "myOpenID", saying
>that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
>OpenID providers are used by other python-dev fellows.
>
>What ar
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 07:31:59PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote:
> I just received an email from my OpenID provider, "myOpenID", saying
> that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
> OpenID providers are used by other python-dev fellows.
>
> What are you using?. bugs.python.org ad
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 02:16:29PM -0400, Donald Stufft
wrote:
>
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> > I used to use myOpenID and became my own provider using poit[1].
> > These days I seldom use OpenID -- there are too few sites that allow
> > full-featured login with OpenID
On Sep 5, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Oleg Broytman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 07:31:59PM +0200, Jesus Cea wrote:
>> I just received an email from my OpenID provider, "myOpenID", saying
>> that they drop OpenID service next February. I wonder what other
>> OpenID providers are used by other python-
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