Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-21 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Guido van Rossum wrote: > On the hosting issue, I'm still neutral -- I expect we'll be able to > support the current developer crowd easily on svn.python.org, but if > we ever find ther are resource problems (either people or bandwidth > etc.) I just received a recommendation for wush.net which spe

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-20 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Aug 20, 2005, at 6:14 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I'm ready to accept te general idea of moving to subversion and away > from SourceForge. > > On the hosting issue, I'm still neutral -- I expect we'll be able to > support the current developer crowd easily on svn.python.org, but if > we ever

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-20 Thread Guido van Rossum
I'm ready to accept te general idea of moving to subversion and away from SourceForge. On the hosting issue, I'm still neutral -- I expect we'll be able to support the current developer crowd easily on svn.python.org, but if we ever find ther are resource problems (either people or bandwidth etc.)

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Guido van Rossum
Nor this Guido, FWIW (I think we shouldn't rule it out as an option, but I don't have any preferences). On 8/16/05, Delaney, Timothy (Tim) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim Peters wrote: > > > [Martin v. Löwis] > >> I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the > >> repository e

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Delaney, Timothy (Tim)
Tim Peters wrote: > [Martin v. Löwis] >> I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the >> repository elsehwere. Some people (Anthony, Guido, Tim) would prefer >> to pay for it, instead of hosting it on svn.python.org. > > Not this Tim. Not this one either. I haven't actually u

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Walter Dörwald
Tim Peters wrote: > [Martin v. Löwis] > >> I have placed a new version of the PEP on >> >> http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html >> > > ... > > +1 from me. But, I don't think my vote should count much, and (sorry) > Guido's even less: what do the people who frequently check in want? > That me

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread skip
Martin> Of course, Barry can only speak about the current availability Martin> of volunteers, which is quite good (especially since amk took Martin> over coordinating them) I don't know why, but the first image that popped into my mind was of amk beating a bunch of Hunchback of N

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Raymond Hettinger] > +1 from me. CVS is meeting my needs but I would definitely benefit from > fast diffs and atomic commits. My experiences with SVN to-date have all > been positive and it was easy to learn. Good! That was my experience too, BTW -- SVN was a genuine improvement over CVS, and

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Martin v. Löwis] > Ah, ok. Of course, Barry can only speak about the current availability > of volunteers, which is quite good (especially since amk took over > coordinating them), nobody can predict the future (the time machine > apparently only works one-way). So I guess the concern stays, and,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Another option would be to pay someone to maintain the SVN setup on > python.org. Unfortunately, I guess that would require someone else > to first create a detailed description of the maintenance work > required and to process bids. I think this would be difficult. I co

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Tim] > +1 from me. But, I don't think my vote should count much, and (sorry) > Guido's even less: what do the people who frequently check in want? > That means people like you (Martin), Michael, Raymond, Walter, Fred. > ... plus the release manager(s). +1 from me. CVS is meeting my needs but I

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Tim Peters wrote: > Not this Tim. I _asked_ whether we had sufficient volunteer resource > to host it on python.org, because I didn't know. Barry has since made > sufficiently reassuring gurgles on that point, in particular that > ongoing maintenance (after initial conversion) for filesystem-flav

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Tim Peters
[Michael Hudson] >> I suppose another question is: when? Between 2.4.2 and 2.5a1 seems >> like a good opportunity. I guess the biggest job is collection of >> keys and associated admin? [Martin v. Löwis] > I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the > repository elsehwere. S

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 15:18, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > Another option would be to pay someone to maintain the SVN setup on > python.org. Unfortunately, I guess that would require someone else > to first create a detailed description of the maintenance work > required and to process bids. Again,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Neil Schemenauer
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 08:31:20PM +0200, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the > repository elsehwere. Some people (Anthony, Guido, Tim) would prefer > to pay for it, instead of hosting it on svn.python.org. Another option would be to pay some

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Michael Hudson wrote: > I suppose another question is: when? Between 2.4.2 and 2.5a1 seems > like a good opportunity. I guess the biggest job is collection of > keys and associated admin? I would agree. However, there still is the debate of hosting the repository elsehwere. Some people (Anthony,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
James Y Knight wrote: > cvs2svn does that by default (now). Ah, ok. Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mai

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread James Y Knight
On Aug 16, 2005, at 2:52 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Tim Peters wrote: > >> It would be best if svn:eol-style were set to native during initial >> conversion from CVS, on all files not marked binary in CVS. >> > > Ok, I'll add that to the PEP. Not sure how to implement it, yet... cvs2svn does tha

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Jack Diederich
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 10:08:26PM +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote: > On Tuesday 16 August 2005 21:42, Michael Hudson wrote: > > I want svn, I think. I'm open to more sophisticated approaches but am > > not sure that any of them are really mature enough yet. Probably will > > be soon, but not soon en

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Michael Hudson
Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 07:42, Michael Hudson wrote: > >> The third set of people who count are pydotorg admins. I'm not really >> one of those either at the moment. While SF's CVS setup has it's >> problems (occasional outages; it's only CVS) it's hard t

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 07:42, Michael Hudson wrote: > The third set of people who count are pydotorg admins. I'm not really > one of those either at the moment. While SF's CVS setup has it's > problems (occasional outages; it's only CVS) it's hard to beat what it > costs us in sysadmin time: zero

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Tuesday 16 August 2005 21:42, Michael Hudson wrote: > I want svn, I think. I'm open to more sophisticated approaches but am > not sure that any of them are really mature enough yet. Probably will > be soon, but not soon enough to void the effort of moving to svn > (IMHO). > > I'm not really a

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-16 Thread Michael Hudson
Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Martin v. Löwis] >> I have placed a new version of the PEP on >> >> http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html > > ... > > +1 from me. But, I don't think my vote should count much, and (sorry) > Guido's even less: what do the people who frequently check i

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Tim Peters wrote: > It would be best if svn:eol-style were set to native during initial > conversion from CVS, on all files not marked binary in CVS. Ok, I'll add that to the PEP. Not sure how to implement it, yet... Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev maili

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-15 Thread Tim Peters
[Martin v. Löwis] > I have placed a new version of the PEP on > > http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html ... +1 from me. But, I don't think my vote should count much, and (sorry) Guido's even less: what do the people who frequently check in want? That means people like you (Martin), Michael

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-08 Thread Brett Cannon
On 8/7/05, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brett Cannon wrote: > > What is going in under python/ ? If it is what is currently > > /dist/src/, then great and the renaming of the repository works. > > Just have a look yourself :-) Yes, this is dist/src. > Ah, OK. I didn't drill f

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Brett Cannon wrote: > What is going in under python/ ? If it is what is currently > /dist/src/, then great and the renaming of the repository works. Just have a look yourself :-) Yes, this is dist/src. > But if that is what src/ is going to be used for This is nondist/src. Perhaps I should just

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-07 Thread Brett Cannon
On 8/7/05, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have placed a new version of the PEP on > > http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html > > Changes to the previous version include: > > - add more rationale for using svn (atomic changesets, > fast tags and branches) > > - changed conv

[Python-Dev] PEP 347: Migration to Subversion

2005-08-07 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I have placed a new version of the PEP on http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0347.html Changes to the previous version include: - add more rationale for using svn (atomic changesets, fast tags and branches) - changed conversion procedure to a single repository, with some reorganization. See