Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 20:06 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: There's also a list for Python-3000-related checkins. Don't subscribe to that one yet, it's very boring and uninteresting. Also, Barry hasn't done the svn magic yet. :-) We're having a small problem on the svn box which requires

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Brett Cannon
On 3/19/06, Christian Tismer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: ... Please don't respond with answers to these questions -- each of them is worth several threads. Instead, ponder them, and respond with a +1 or -1 on the creation of the python-3000 mailing list. We'll start

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Nick Coghlan
Guido van Rossum wrote: I see increased activity related to Python 3000. This is great, but there is some danger involved. Some of the dangers are: overloading developers; setting unrealistic expectations for what can be accomplished; scaring the more conservative user community; paralyzing

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
Please don't respond with answers to these questions -- each of them is worth several threads. Instead, ponder them, and respond with a +1 or -1 on the creation of the python-3000 mailing list. We'll start discussing the issues there -- or here, if the general sense is not to split the list.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Matthew Fleming
On 20/03/06, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 on the separate mailing list (and PEP numbers).If Barry (or another mailing list admin) is feeling energetic, somebranch-specific topics on python-checkins would be nice, too. While I'minterested in tracking trunk checkins, I'm not so concerned

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Thomas Wouters
On 3/20/06, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't respond with answers to these questions -- each of themis worth several threads. Instead, ponder them, and respond with a +1or -1 on the creation of the python-3000 mailing list. We'll startdiscussing the issues there -- or here,

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 19:27 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: +1 on the separate mailing list (and PEP numbers). I'm neutral on whether a new mailing list should be added, but +1 on separate PEP numbers. If Barry (or another mailing list admin) is feeling energetic, some branch-specific topics on

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 3/20/06, BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -0 on separate mailing list and PEP numbers. You seem to be the minority so far... Because to much separation between python 2.x and python 3.x makes 3.x seem more like vaporware that will never happen (Perl 6). I'm actually trying to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 13:30 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote: Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Barry, if you could create that mailing list, please? And please mirror it on gmane the same way as this list is. Subscription requests have been made. -Barry signature.asc

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Paul Moore
On 3/20/06, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 13:30 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote: Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Barry, if you could create that mailing list, please? And please mirror it on gmane the same way as this list is. Subscription

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Greg Ewing
Guido van Rossum wrote: respond with a +1 or -1 on the creation of the python-3000 mailing list. +1 -- Greg Ewing, Computer Science Dept, +--+ University of Canterbury, | Carpe post meridiam! | Christchurch, New Zealand |

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread R Morris
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 13:30 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote: Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Barry, if you could create that mailing list, please? And please mirror it on gmane the same way as this list is. Subscription requests have been made. -Barry

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-20 Thread Guido van Rossum
The Python 3000 mailing list has been created. From now on let's have all discussions related to Python 3000 on that list. Please subscribe here: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Let's start by attempting to answer the process questions: timeline; upgrade path; library

[Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-19 Thread Guido van Rossum
I see increased activity related to Python 3000. This is great, but there is some danger involved. Some of the dangers are: overloading developers; setting unrealistic expectations for what can be accomplished; scaring the more conservative user community; paralyzing developers who can't decide

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3000 Process

2006-03-19 Thread Christian Tismer
Guido van Rossum wrote: ... Please don't respond with answers to these questions -- each of them is worth several threads. Instead, ponder them, and respond with a +1 or -1 on the creation of the python-3000 mailing list. We'll start discussing the issues there -- or here, if the general