Hello everyone,
I'm new to this list, but I have been an informal mentor for computer
science students at Harvard for several years, and I'd like to share
some observations that may be relevant. In my experience, students are
willing to ask many technical questions in person that they simply
won't
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
>
> I disagree. The goal of mentorship is to help someone learn -- a subtle,
> yet distinct, difference. I think a closed list will suit that purpose
> better.
>
> Keep in mind also that the list is *closed*, not *locked* -- anyone can
> join,
On 3/25/2011 2:55 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Guido van Rossum writes:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Surely a forum specifically for mentorship will be more useful if
outsiders can be directed to existing discussions, without needing to
join the private club.
This argument co
On 3/25/2011 8:23 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
One of the great things about a discussion forum open view for the
public is that, when a topic comes up again in a *different* forum, I
can easily point anyone to the existing discussion without requir
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
> One of the great things about a discussion forum open view for the
> public is that, when a topic comes up again in a *different* forum, I
> can easily point anyone to the existing discussion without requiring
> that they join some private group
2011/3/25 Glenn Linderman :
> So... start two mentoring groups, one open, one closed, and see which one
> survives.
This is all tangential to the actual point of this discussion: To help
people get involved! It's not a social experiment about mailing lists.
In fact, I think this thread can die ab
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Glenn Linderman wrote:
> So... start two mentoring groups, one open, one closed, and see which one
> survives.
I'd rather not. I'd rather walk away from the idea entirely. In fact,
this entire thread is quickly becoming an example of why people
*don't* want to bri
So... start two mentoring groups, one open, one closed, and see which
one survives.
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On 3/25/2011 5:44 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:
The other side of the proposed forum is people who want to teach such
people. Many of them (and no doubt many of the learners) don't read
python-list due to its high volume.
Indeed. I see 76000+ unread messages on Python-list since I subscribed
2.
On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:14:02 -0400, Jesse Noller writes:
>> Ben,
>>
>> In principle I agree with you - I would like open archives for the
>> specific reasons you cite, but I value the ability for people who may
>> not be comfor
In a message of Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:46:27 +1100, Ben Finney writes:
> The audience of the proposed forum (AFAICT) is people who want to learn
> enough to contribute to the Python core. So, no, they're different
> roles.
The other side of the proposed forum is people who want to teach such
people.
In a message of Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:14:02 -0400, Jesse Noller writes:
>Ben,
>
>In principle I agree with you - I would like open archives for the
>specific reasons you cite, but I value the ability for people who may
>not be comfortable with coming out and openly discussing things on a
>list if the
Eric Snow writes:
> I see your point, but doesn't python-list already fill the role you
> indicate may be diminished?
The audience of the proposed forum (AFAICT) is people who want to learn
enough to contribute to the Python core. So, no, they're different
roles.
--
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I see your point, but doesn't python-list already fill the role you indicate
may be diminished? Seems like the new list is meant to fill a different
need. Perhaps one concern would be over-use of the mentoring list when
someone would be fine with python-list. I just don't see people turning
away
Jesse Noller writes:
> In principle I agree with you
[…]
Thanks (truly!) for considering the feedback.
The only further comment I need to make is:
> I want to error on the side of the closed list archives for now. In
> several months, we all might realize it was a monumental mistake. At
> that
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> Guido van Rossum writes:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney
>> wrote:
>> > Surely a forum specifically for mentorship will be more useful if
>> > outsiders can be directed to existing discussions, without needing to
>> > join th
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
>> I propose to give it a rest. If you want to know what's going on
>> there, just subscribe, nobody will stop you (and if they did there are
>> plenty of public forums to complain).
>
> I thought that's exactly what I was doing; confusingly, in t
Guido van Rossum writes:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney
> wrote:
> > Surely a forum specifically for mentorship will be more useful if
> > outsiders can be directed to existing discussions, without needing to
> > join the private club.
>
> This argument comes up repeatedly. Some
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney
> wrote:
>> If you don't want a specific party snooping the site, just block that
>> specific party. Why make a walled garden that *nobody* outside can look
>> into? That undermines the free ex
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> If you don't want a specific party snooping the site, just block that
> specific party. Why make a walled garden that *nobody* outside can look
> into? That undermines the free exchange of information.
>
> Surely a forum specifically for mentors
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
> If you don't want a specific party snooping the site, just block that
> specific party. Why make a walled garden that *nobody* outside can look
> into? That undermines the free exchange of information.
I think the point is that most people aren
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 07:57:41 +1100
Ben Finney wrote:
> exar...@twistedmatrix.com writes:
>
> > On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
> > >consulting with other core developers, we believe it's easier to ask
> > >questions when
exar...@twistedmatrix.com writes:
> On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
> >The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
> >consulting with other core developers, we believe it's easier to ask
> >questions when you don't have to worry about Google picking up your
> >words fro
On 3/25/2011 6:12 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote:
>> Boggle.
Jesse> I assume that means your in, or you hate that idea?
Or that he just really likes to play Boggle.:-)
I really like to play Boggle. It is even better with our local rules...
5x5 grid, 5 letter minimum word size, and 4 m
Hi,
Sounds like an excellent initiative! Kudos to the PSF and the
individuals involved. I don’t have time to take part right now, but I
wish a good start to the program.
Cheers
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:12 PM, wrote:
>
> >> Boggle.
>
> Jesse> I assume that means your in, or you hate that idea?
>
> Or that he just really likes to play Boggle. :-)
>
Or that he's confused ?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/wiki/mindboggling
> S
> _
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 08:26, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>
> One other thing I would hope to be able to do with the list is to try
> to stay in touch with new contributors that participate in sprints.
>
> Cheers,
> Nick.
This was exactly my thought. We were there in person to get ~10 PyCon
sprinters t
On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone:
The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
consulting with other core developers, we believe it's easier to ask
questions when you don't have to worry about Google picking up your
words from a public archive.
Boggle.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Jesse Noller wrote:
> Hello everyone:
>
> I wanted to take a moment to outline another idea which came out of
> PyCon 2011 this year from numerous sources - a Python Core Mentorship
> Program predicated on the idea that Python-Core, and Python as a whole
> would be
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM, wrote:
>>> On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone:
The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Jesse Noller wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM, wrote:
>> On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone:
>>>
>>>
>>> The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
>>> consulting with other core developers, we believe it'
>> Boggle.
Jesse> I assume that means your in, or you hate that idea?
Or that he just really likes to play Boggle. :-)
S
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM, wrote:
> On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone:
>>
>>
>> The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
>> consulting with other core developers, we believe it's easier to ask
>> questions when you don't have to worry about
Hello everyone:
I wanted to take a moment to outline another idea which came out of
PyCon 2011 this year from numerous sources - a Python Core Mentorship
Program predicated on the idea that Python-Core, and Python as a whole
would be served by further lowering the barrier to entry of
contribution,
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