On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:22:08 +, "Matt Billenstein" wrote:
> I started in Python blissfully unaware of unicode - it was a different time
> for
> sure, but what I knew from C worked pretty much the same in Python - I could
> read some binary data out of a file, twiddle some bits, and write it b
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Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python3 "complexity" (was RFC: PEP 460: Add
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It
On 8 January 2014 20:04, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote:
> Believe it or not, sometimes you really don't care about encodings.
> Sometimes you just want to parse text files. Python 3 forces you to think
> about abstract concepts like encodings when all you want is to open that .txt
> file on the
Hi,
> Python 3 forces you to think about abstract concepts like encodings when all
> you want is to open that .txt file on the drive and extract some phone
> numbers and merge in some email addresses.
You can open a text file using ascii + surrogateescape, or just open
the file in binary.
Vic
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:04:56 +, wrote:
> Believe it or not, sometimes you really don't care about encodings.
> Sometimes you just want to parse text files. Python 3 forces you to
> think about abstract concepts like encodings when all you want is to
> open that .txt file on the drive and extr
On Wed, 8 Jan 2014, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote:
Believe it or not, sometimes you really don't care about encodings.
Sometimes you just want to parse text files. Python 3 forces you to
think about abstract concepts like encodings when all you want is to
open that .txt file on the drive and
, 2014 23:40
To: python-dev@python.org
Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python3 "complexity" (was RFC: PEP 460: Add
bytes...)
Why *do* you care? Isn't your system configured for utf-8, and all your
.txt files encoded with utf-8 by default? Or at least configured
with a single consist
On 09/01/2014 00:12, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote:
Just to avoid confusion, let me state up front that I am very well aware of
encodings and all that, having internationalized one largish app in python 2.x.
I know the problems that 2.x had with tracking down the source of errors and
understan
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:12:57 +, wrote:
> I think there might be a different analogy: Having to specify an
> encoding is like having strong typing. In Python 2.7, we _can_ forego
> that and just duck-type our strings :)
Python is a strongly typed language.
Saying that python2 let you duck t
On 1/8/2014 5:04 PM, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote:
Believe it or not, sometimes you really don't care about encodings.
Sometimes you just want to parse text files. Python 3 forces you to
think about abstract concepts like encodings when all you want is to
open that .txt file on the drive and ex
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Kristján Valur Jónsson
wrote:
>
> Believe it or not, sometimes you really don't care about encodings.
> Sometimes you just want to parse text files. Python 3 forces you to think
> about abstract concepts like encodings when all you want is to open that .txt
> fil
Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote:
all you want is to open that .txt
file on the drive and extract some phone numbers and merge in some email
addresses. What encoding does the file have? Do I care? Must I care?
To some extent, yes. If the encoding happens to be an
ascii-compatible one, such as latin
On 9 January 2014 15:22, Greg Ewing wrote:
> Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote:
>>
>> all you want is to open that .txt
>> file on the drive and extract some phone numbers and merge in some email
>> addresses. What encoding does the file have? Do I care? Must I care?
>
>
> To some extent, yes. If the e
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 17:09:10 +1000
Nick Coghlan wrote:
>
> There's also the fact that POSIX folks are used to "r" and "rb" being
> the same thing.
Which fails immediately under Windows :-)
Regards
Antoine.
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So the customer you're looking for is the person who cares a lot about
encodings, knows how to do Unicode correctly, and has noticed that
certain valid cases not limited to imperialist simpletons (dealing
with specific common things invented before 1996, dealing with mixed
encodings, doing what Nic
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:03:40 -0500
Daniel Holth wrote:
> They emphatically do not want the Python 2
> model especially not implicit coercion. They only want additional
> tools for text or string processing in Python 3.
That's a good point. Now it's up to people who need those additional
tools to p
On 9 Jan 2014 22:08, "Antoine Pitrou" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:03:40 -0500
> Daniel Holth wrote:
> > They emphatically do not want the Python 2
> > model especially not implicit coercion. They only want additional
> > tools for text or string processing in Python 3.
>
> That's a good poin
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