Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Aug 21, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > >> http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode5.1.0/ >> "Unicode 5.1.0 contains over 100,000 characters, and provides >> significant additions and improvements..." to existing features, >> including new files and upgrades to exist

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: You don't mean the experts claimed they weren't important, right? Unimportant changes definitely don't need to go in now . Well, at least Guido managed to figure out what I

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

Barry Warsaw wrote: You don't mean the experts claimed they weren't important, right? Unimportant changes definitely don't need to go in now . Well, at least Guido managed to figure out what I was trying to say ;-) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Pyt

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 2:15 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Guido's request was just for updating the Unicode database with the data from 5.1 - without adding new support for properties or changing the interfaces. See this page for a list of changes to the U

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: I agree. This seriously feels like new, potentially high risk code to be adding this late in the game. The BDFL can always override, but unless someone is really convincing

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Aug 21, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On 2008-08-25 19:34, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Aug 21, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > >> http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode5.1.0/ >> "Unicode 5.1.0 contains over 100,000 characters, and provides >> significant additions and improvements..." to existing features, >> including new files

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Benjamin Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Aug 21, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: >>> >>> http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode5.1.0/ >>> "Unicode 5.1.0 contains over 100,00

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

Barry Warsaw wrote: I agree. This seriously feels like new, potentially high risk code to be adding this late in the game. The BDFL can always override, but unless someone is really convincing that this is low risk high benefit, I'd vote no for 2.6/3.0. at least two Unicode experts have st

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Aug 21, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: >> >> http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode5.1.0/ >> "Unicode 5.1.0 contains over 100,000 characters, and provides signif

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 21, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode5.1.0/ "Unicode 5.1.0 contains over 100,000 characters, and provides significant additions and improvements..." to existing features, including new files and

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

Guido van Rossum wrote: 2008/8/25 M.-A. Lemburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >: > I would really like to see more Unicode support in Python, e.g. > for collation, compression, indexing based on graphemes and > code points, better support for special casing situations (to > c

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008/8/25 M.-A. Lemburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would really like to see more Unicode support in Python, e.g. > for collation, compression, indexing based on graphemes and > code points, better support for special casing situations (to > cover e.g. the dotted vs. non-dotted i in the Turkish script

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On 2008-08-22 03:25, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:26 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 2008-08-21 22:35, Guido van Rossum wrote: >>> I was just paid a visit by my Google colleague Mark Davis, co-founder >>> of the Unicode project and the president of the Unic

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

Hi, On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 23:35, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was just paid a visit by my Google colleague Mark Davis, co-founder > of the Unicode project and the president of the Unicode Consortium. He > would like to see improved Unicode support for Python. (Well duh. :-) >

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was away for the weekend and am struggling to catch up on my email. Since I haven't digested this entire thread, I'll refrain for the moment from giving my opinion, however this comment jumped out to me. On Aug 22, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Facundo B

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

> I can tinker a little with this over the weekend, unless Martin tells > me not to ;-) Go ahead; I can't work on this at the moment, anyway. I would also be confident that a mere replacement of 4.1 with 5.1 should be easy, and I see no reason to keep the 4.1 version. Perhaps makeunicodedata shou

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

> That's up to us. I don't know what the reason was for keeping the > 3.2.0 database around -- does anyone here recall ever using it? For > what? It's needed for IDNA. The IDNA RFC requires that Unicode 3.2 is used for performing IDNA (in particular, for determining what a valid domain name is).

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

> is the suggestion to *replace* the 4.1.0 database with a 5.1.0 > database, or to add yet another database in that module? I would replace it. > (how's the 3.2/4.1 dual support implemented? The compiler needs data files for all supported versions, with old_versions listing the, well, old versio

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 07:59:46AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > That's up to us. I don't know what the reason was for keeping the > 3.2.0 database around -- does anyone here recall ever using it? For > what? RFC 3491, one of the internationalized domain name RFCs, explicitly requires Unicode 3

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

I think it's an anti-spam measure. Anybody can be a member though. :-) On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > when did Python-Dev turn into a members only list, btw? > > --- > > Your mail to 'Python-Dev' with the subject > > Re: Unicode 5.1.0 > > Is being hel

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

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Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008/8/22 Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> (how's the 3.2/4.1 dual support implemented? do we have two distinct >>> datasets, or are the differences encoded in some clever way? would it >>> make sense to split

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> (how's the 3.2/4.1 dual support implemented? do we have two distinct >> datasets, or are the differences encoded in some clever way? would it >> make sense to split the unicodedata module into three separate >> modul

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Facundo Batista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - In view of jumping to a new standard at *this* point, what I'd like > to have is a comprehensive test suite for unicodedata in a similar > sense to what happens with Decimal... It would be great to have from > the Unico

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:47 AM, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [MAL] >>> So while we could say: "we provide access to the Unicode 5.1.0 >>> database", we cannot say: "we support Unicode 5.1.0", simply because

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

Facundo Batista gmail.com> writes: > > Two thoughts: > > - In view of jumping to a new standard at *this* point, what I'd like > to have is a comprehensive test suite for unicodedata in a similar > sense to what happens with Decimal... It would be great to have from > the Unicode Consortium a se

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008/8/21 Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The two, quite separate, questions, then, are (a) how much work would > it be to upgrade to version 5.1.0 of the database; and (b) would it be > acceptable to do this post-beta3 (but before rc1). If the answer to > (b) is positive, Google can help

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So while we could say: "we provide access to the Unicode 5.1.0 >> database", we cannot say: "we support Unicode 5.1.0", simply because >> we have not reviewed the all the necessary changes and implications. > > Mark's

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:26 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008-08-21 22:35, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> I was just paid a visit by my Google colleague Mark Davis, co-founder >> of the Unicode project and the president of the Unicode Consortium. He >> would like to see improve

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

Guido van Rossum wrote: I was just paid a visit by my Google colleague Mark Davis, co-founder of the Unicode project and the president of the Unicode Consortium. He would like to see improved Unicode support for Python. (Well duh. :-) On his list of top priorities are: 1. Upgrade the unicodata

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

On 2008-08-21 22:35, Guido van Rossum wrote: I was just paid a visit by my Google colleague Mark Davis, co-founder of the Unicode project and the president of the Unicode Consortium. He would like to see improved Unicode support for Python. (Well duh. :-) On his list of top priorities are: 1. Up

[Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

I was just paid a visit by my Google colleague Mark Davis, co-founder of the Unicode project and the president of the Unicode Consortium. He would like to see improved Unicode support for Python. (Well duh. :-) On his list of top priorities are: 1. Upgrade the unicodata module to the Unicode 5.1.0