Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-17 Thread Dan Villiom Podlaski Christiansen
On 7 Feb 2010, at 05:27, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: Do you know of a case where it's actually slow? If not, how convincing should this argument really be? Perhaps we can measure it on a few platforms before passing judgement. On Mac OS X at least, system calls are notoriously slow.

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-17 Thread Baptiste Lepilleur
I did some quick measures out of curiosity. Performances seems clearly filesystem and O.S. dependent (and are likely deployment/configuration dependent). I did each test 3 times to ensure measure where consistent. Tests were done with ActivePython 2.6.3.7. * AIX 5.3: python26 -m timeit -s 'def

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-08 Thread Nick Coghlan
Antoine Pitrou wrote: Barry Warsaw barry at python.org writes: exarkun at boson:~$ python -m timeit -s 'from os import getcwd' 'getcwd()' 100 loops, best of 3: 1.02 usec per loop [...] I'd like to see the effect on command line scripts that are run often and then exit, e.g. Bazaar or

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-08 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes: The problem is that having '' as the first entry in sys.path currently means do the import relative to the current directory. Unless we want to change the language semantics so we stick os.getcwd() at the front instead of '', then __file__ is still

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-08 Thread Nick Coghlan
Antoine Pitrou wrote: Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes: The problem is that having '' as the first entry in sys.path currently means do the import relative to the current directory. Unless we want to change the language semantics so we stick os.getcwd() at the front instead of '',

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-08 Thread Floris Bruynooghe
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 12:51:22PM +, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Do some people actually rely on the fact that changing the current directory will also change the import path? On the interactive prompt, yes. But I guess that's a habit that could be easily un-learnt. Regards Floris --

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 06, 2010, at 11:22 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: I haven't tried to repro this particular example, but the reason is that we don't want to have to call getpwd() on every import nor do we want to have some kind of in-process variable to cache the current directory. (getpwd() is

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-07 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Barry Warsaw barry at python.org writes: exarkun at boson:~$ python -m timeit -s 'from os import getcwd' 'getcwd()' 100 loops, best of 3: 1.02 usec per loop [...] I'd like to see the effect on command line scripts that are run often and then exit, e.g. Bazaar or Mercurial. Start up

[Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-06 Thread Ezio Melotti
In #7712 I was trying to change regrtest to always run the tests in a temporary CWD (e.g. /tmp/@test_1234_cwd/). The patches attached to the issue add a context manager that changes the CWD, and it works fine when I run ./python -m test.regrtest from trunk/. However, when I try from trunk/Lib/

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote: In #7712 I was trying to change regrtest to always run the tests in a temporary CWD (e.g. /tmp/@test_1234_cwd/). The patches attached to the issue add a context manager that changes the CWD, and it works fine when I

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-06 Thread exarkun
On 10:29 pm, gu...@python.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote: In #7712 I was trying to change regrtest to always run the tests in a temporary CWD (e.g. /tmp/@test_1234_cwd/). The patches attached to the issue add a context manager that changes

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:22 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 10:29 pm, gu...@python.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote: In #7712 I was trying to change regrtest to always run the tests in a temporary CWD (e.g. /tmp/@test_1234_cwd/).

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-06 Thread Christian Heimes
Guido van Rossum wrote: What we do instead, is code in site.py that walks over the elements of sys.path and turns them into absolute paths. However this code runs before '' is inserted in the front of sys.path, so that the initial value of sys.path is ''. You may want to print the value of

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Christian Heimes li...@cheimes.de wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: What we do instead, is code in site.py that walks over the elements of sys.path and turns them into absolute paths. However this code runs before '' is inserted in the front of sys.path, so that

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-06 Thread Christian Heimes
Guido van Rossum schrieb: Are you sure you remember this right? The code.co_filename attributes will be unmarshalled straight from the bytecode file which indeed will have the relative path in this case (hopefully we'll finally fix this in 3.2 and 2.7). But if I read the code in import.c

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Christian Heimes li...@cheimes.de wrote: Guido van Rossum schrieb: Are you sure you remember this right? The code.co_filename attributes will be unmarshalled straight from the bytecode file which indeed will have the relative path in this case (hopefully we'll

Re: [Python-Dev] __file__ is not always an absolute path

2010-02-06 Thread exarkun
On 6 Feb, 11:53 pm, gu...@python.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:22 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: On 10:29 pm, gu...@python.org wrote: [snip] I haven't tried to repro this particular example, but the reason is that we don't want to have to call getpwd() on every import nor do we