Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-26 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/26/06, Gerhard Häring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brett Cannon wrote: > > OK, I am going to write the PEP I proposed a week or so ago, listing > > all modules and packages within the stdlib that are maintained > > externally so we have a central place to go for contact info or where > > to re

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-26 Thread Thomas Heller
Michael Hudson wrote: > Gerhard Häring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Currently I'm not subscribed to python-checkins and didn't see a need >> to. Is there a need to for Python core developers? > > I would say it's "encouraged". > >> I think there's no better way except subscribing and defin

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-26 Thread Michael Hudson
Gerhard Häring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Currently I'm not subscribed to python-checkins and didn't see a need > to. Is there a need to for Python core developers? I would say it's "encouraged". > I think there's no better way except subscribing and defining a > filter for SQLite-related c

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-26 Thread Gerhard Häring
Brett Cannon wrote: > OK, I am going to write the PEP I proposed a week or so ago, listing > all modules and packages within the stdlib that are maintained > externally so we have a central place to go for contact info or where > to report bugs on issues. This should only apply to modules that wan

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-20 Thread skip
Fredrik> applying emergency patches (stuff that blocks the build, and Fredrik> security fixes) is of course okay, but I would prefer if Fredrik> everything else is handled via the ET master repository. Could that reference be placed in a comment near the top of xmlcore/etree/ElementTr

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-20 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Brett Cannon wrote: > > Not sure whether Fredrik Lundh has responded, but I believe he once > > said that he would prefer if ElementTree isn't directly modified, but > > that instead patches are filed on the SF tracker and assigned to him. > > Nope, Fredrik never responded. I am cc:ing him direct

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-16 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/16/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brett Cannon wrote: > > Basically, from all the replies I have gotten has said that package > > that were/are externally maintained either considers Python HEAD as > > the current version or watches checkins and the bug tracker and thus > >

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-16 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Brett Cannon wrote: > Basically, from all the replies I have gotten has said that package > that were/are externally maintained either considers Python HEAD as > the current version or watches checkins and the bug tracker and thus > the PEP is really not needed. So unless some package steps forwar

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-16 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/8/06, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, I am going to write the PEP I proposed a week or so ago, listing > all modules and packages within the stdlib that are maintained > externally so we have a central place to go for contact info or where > to report bugs on issues. This should

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-12 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 02:47:28PM -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > OK, I am going to write the PEP I proposed a week or so ago, listing > all modules and packages within the stdlib that are maintained > externally so we have a central place to go for contact info or where > to report bugs on issues.

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-10 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brett Cannon wrote: > > OK, I am going to write the PEP I proposed a week or so ago, listing > > all modules and packages within the stdlib that are maintained > > externally so we have a central place to go for contact info or where > >

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-10 Thread skip
Brett Cannon wrote: > OK, I am going to write the PEP I proposed a week or so ago, listing > all modules and packages within the stdlib that are maintained > externally so we have a central place to go for contact info or where > to report bugs on issues. Based on the recent interchange regardin

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-10 Thread Thomas Heller
Brett Cannon wrote: > OK, I am going to write the PEP I proposed a week or so ago, listing > all modules and packages within the stdlib that are maintained > externally so we have a central place to go for contact info or where > to report bugs on issues. This should only apply to modules that wan

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 09:35 AM 4/10/2006 +1000, Andrew Bennetts wrote: >On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 02:48:47PM -0400, Phillip J. Eby wrote: > > At 07:56 PM 4/9/2006 +0200, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >[...] > > >-1. These aren't external libraries; they are part of Python. > > > > They *were* external libraries. Also, many O

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Anthony Baxter
On Monday 10 April 2006 04:48, Phillip J. Eby wrote: > They *were* external libraries. Also, many OS vendors nonetheless > split the standard library into different system packages, e.g. > Debian's longstanding tradition of excising the distutils into a > separate python-dev package. Ubuntu (a de

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Andrew Bennetts
On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 02:48:47PM -0400, Phillip J. Eby wrote: > At 07:56 PM 4/9/2006 +0200, Martin v. Löwis wrote: [...] > >-1. These aren't external libraries; they are part of Python. > > They *were* external libraries. Also, many OS vendors nonetheless split > the standard library into diff

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Phillip J. Eby wrote: > I was hoping that we had reached a point where setup.py could simply > become the One Obvious Way to do it, in which case the One Obvious Way > to bundle formerly-external libraries would be to bundle their setup > scripts. Well, setup.py cannot (yet?) replace the other mec

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 07:56 PM 4/9/2006 +0200, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >Phillip J. Eby wrote: > > It would be good if we could have separate setup.py files for "external" > > libraries, not only because of the ability to get PKG-INFO installed, but > > also because then OS vendors that split those externals out into s

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Phillip J. Eby wrote: > It would be good if we could have separate setup.py files for "external" > libraries, not only because of the ability to get PKG-INFO installed, but > also because then OS vendors that split those externals out into separate > system packages wouldn't need to jump through

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 02:47 PM 4/8/2006 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > Do people think we need to document the version that has >been imported into Python and when that was done as well? Definitely. Better yet, in 2.5 I'd like to have the version information embedded in a PKG-INFO file that gets installed with Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Paul Moore
On 4/8/06, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, here is a list of the packages that I think have outside > maintenance (or at least have been at some point). Anyone who has > info on them that I need, please let me know the details. Also, if I > missed any, obviously speak up: I thi

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On 4/9/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brett Cannon wrote: > > - expat > > Not sure whether you mean the Expat parser proper here, or the pyexpat > module: both are externally maintained, I was thinking the parser, but if pyexpat is externally maintained, then both of them. > a

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Brett Cannon wrote: > - expat Not sure whether you mean the Expat parser proper here, or the pyexpat module: both are externally maintained, also; pyexpat is part of PyXML. OTOH, people can just consider PyXML to be part of Python, and I synchronize the Python sources with the PyXML sources from t

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-08 Thread Terry Reedy
"Brett Cannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > This should only apply to modules that want > bugs reported outside of the Python tracker and have a separate dev > track. People who just use the Python repository as their mainline > version can just be left out. If

Re: [Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 14:47 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > - email This has an standalone release, but development and bug reports should all happen in the Python project. -Barry signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ P

[Python-Dev] need info for externally maintained modules PEP

2006-04-08 Thread Brett Cannon
OK, I am going to write the PEP I proposed a week or so ago, listing all modules and packages within the stdlib that are maintained externally so we have a central place to go for contact info or where to report bugs on issues. This should only apply to modules that want bugs reported outside of t