Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Aahz writes: > all. Because I was lazy, last weekend I finally did a two-stage upgrade > from 7.10 to 8.04 and then 8.10, with zero noticeable problems. The scary one is two independent reports of fstab corruption in the 8.04 to 8.10 upgrade. It is claimed to be unfixable by booting from CD,

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 4, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Aahz writes: all. Because I was lazy, last weekend I finally did a two-stage upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 and then 8.10, with zero noticeable problems. The scary one is two independent repo

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Leif Walsh
I missed the beginning here; oh well. On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Aahz wrote: > On Sun, Jan 04, 2009, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Steve Holden writes: >>> >>> Hey, isn't Ubuntu Debian-based? ... >> >> Ouch. I don't actually use Ubuntu, but when everybody on my local LUG >> list from the "L

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > And for that ML this is huge; I don't recall so many screams on a > commercial vendor upgrade since Red Hat went from HJ Liu libc to glibc > 2. I've had problems with Kubuntu's graphical updater crashing, but never anything a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" didn't fix. Al

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Aahz
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Steve Holden writes: >> >> Hey, isn't Ubuntu Debian-based? ... > > Ouch. I don't actually use Ubuntu, but when everybody on my local LUG > list from the "Linux should be Windows but cheaper" newbies to former > NetBSD developers is grouching ab

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Steve Holden
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Aahz writes: > > > all. Because I was lazy, last weekend I finally did a two-stage upgrade > > from 7.10 to 8.04 and then 8.10, with zero noticeable problems. > > The scary one is two independent reports of fstab corruption in the > 8.04 to 8.10 upgrade. It is cla

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > > The scary one is two independent reports of fstab corruption in the > > 8.04 to 8.10 upgrade. It is claimed to be unfixable by booting from > > CD, mounting the partition, and editing fstab: the editor saves but > > the fstab returns to the original corrupt state upon

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-04 Thread Leif Walsh
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > Ubuntu is a victim of its own success. They now have to deal with the > same diversity of hardware environments as Windows. I hope that > Canonical will find a way to stabilize things. I think it's actually worse. Microsoft can always (and, i

Re: [Python-Dev] python.org OS

2009-01-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Leif Walsh writes: > True, most of the upgrade problems deal with packages that aren't in > the server install. This should be an easy one, but now I'd ask, why > not use Debian instead? You mean, "why not stick with Debian instead?" The reason is that Debian stable lags the real world drama