Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 12:22 AM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: Why can't you remove the heuristic and screen-scrape info-search code from the easy_install client and run one spider that would check new/revised PyPI entries, search for missing info, insert it into PyPI when found (and mark the entry eggified), or

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Nick Coghlan
Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 12:22 AM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: Why can't you remove the heuristic and screen-scrape info-search code from the easy_install client and run one spider that would check new/revised PyPI entries, search for missing info, insert it into PyPI when found (and

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Phillip J. Eby wrote: The problem isn't fundamentally a technical one, but a social one. You can effect social change through technology, but not by being some random guy with a nagging 'bot. Seriously, though, posting Cheesecake scores (which include ratings for findability of code, use

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Terry Reedy wrote: 1. Based on comments on c.l.py, the biggest legitimate fact-based (versus personal-taste-based) knock again Python versus, in particular, Perl is the lack of a CPAN-like facility. As I remember, there have even been a few people say something like I like Python the

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 4/22/06, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Reedy wrote: 1. Based on comments on c.l.py, the biggest legitimate fact-based (versus personal-taste-based) knock again Python versus, in particular, Perl is the lack of a CPAN-like facility. As I remember, there have even been a

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Guido van Rossum wrote: Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I think we shouldn't

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread John J Lee
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: [...] Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I think we shouldn't [...] (as for the CPAN quality, any public repository will end up being full of crap;

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Guido van Rossum
I was actually referring to the quality of the code. On 4/22/06, John J Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: [...] Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 12:34 PM 4/22/2006 +0200, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person that CPAN sucks

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 05:41 PM 4/22/2006 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 12:22 AM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: Why can't you remove the heuristic and screen-scrape info-search code from the easy_install client and run one spider that would check new/revised PyPI entries, search for missing

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Guido van Rossum wrote: Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person that CPAN sucks from a quality perspective. So I think we shouldn't

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Terry Reedy
Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Leaving aside the Perl vs. Py thing, opinions on CPAN seem to be diverse -- yes, I've heard people say that this is something that Python sorely lacks; but I've also heard from more than one person that CPAN sucks

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Terry Reedy
Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:41 PM 4/22/2006 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: I'm not sure that's what Terry meant - I took it to mean *make the spider part of PyPI itself*. Which would also be accomplished by using Grig's Cheesecake tool, since

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-22 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 08:12 PM 4/22/2006 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: If my premises above are mistaken, then the suggestions should be modified or discarded. However, I don't see how they conflict at all with a consumer rating system. My point was simply that providing rapid, visible feedback to authors results in

Re: [Python-Dev] setuptools: past, present, future

2006-04-21 Thread Terry Reedy
Phillip J. Eby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have some general comments which I will not try to tie to specific quotes. 1. Based on comments on c.l.py, the biggest legitimate fact-based (versus personal-taste-based) knock again Python versus, in particular, Perl