Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:59 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:57:36 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > > Am 11.03.2014 15:54, schrieb Guido van Rossum: > > > I'm not sure I agree completely with this lax attitude about the > contents of the > > > docs, and especially the What's New p

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:57:36 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 11.03.2014 15:54, schrieb Guido van Rossum: > > I'm not sure I agree completely with this lax attitude about the contents > > of the > > docs, and especially the What's New parts of it (both Misc/NEWS and > > Doc/whatsnew/3.4.rst). > >

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 11.03.2014 15:54, schrieb Guido van Rossum: > I'm not sure I agree completely with this lax attitude about the contents of > the > docs, and especially the What's New parts of it (both Misc/NEWS and > Doc/whatsnew/3.4.rst). I don't think anyone here suggested not to update the whatsnew documen

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
I'm not sure I agree completely with this lax attitude about the contents of the docs, and especially the What's New parts of it (both Misc/NEWS and Doc/whatsnew/3.4.rst). I find it very useful to have these pinpoint *exactly* what made it into the tarball or zipfile or whatever other form I happen

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread R. David Murray
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:15:21 +0100, Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 11.03.2014 08:00, schrieb Ned Deily: > > In article , > > Georg Brandl wrote: > > > >> Am 11.03.2014 06:31, schrieb Ned Deily: > >> > In article > >> > , > >> > Nick Coghlan wrote: > >> >> On 11 March 2014 11:29, R. David Murray w

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 11.03.2014 08:00, schrieb Ned Deily: > In article , > Georg Brandl wrote: > >> Am 11.03.2014 06:31, schrieb Ned Deily: >> > In article >> > , >> > Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> On 11 March 2014 11:29, R. David Murray wrote: >> >> > The whatsnew updates (including the one for help) weren't cop

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-11 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Georg Brandl wrote: > Am 11.03.2014 06:31, schrieb Ned Deily: > > In article > > , > > Nick Coghlan wrote: > >> On 11 March 2014 11:29, R. David Murray wrote: > >> > The whatsnew updates (including the one for help) weren't copied into > >> > rc3. They will be in final though,

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-10 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 11.03.2014 06:31, schrieb Ned Deily: > In article > , > Nick Coghlan wrote: >> On 11 March 2014 11:29, R. David Murray wrote: >> > The whatsnew updates (including the one for help) weren't copied into >> > rc3. They will be in final though, unless Larry forgets. >> >> Oh, cool - yes, it wi

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-10 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 11 March 2014 11:29, R. David Murray wrote: > > The whatsnew updates (including the one for help) weren't copied into > > rc3. They will be in final though, unless Larry forgets. > > Oh, cool - yes, it will be good to have an up to date What's New > shipp

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-10 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 11 March 2014 11:29, R. David Murray wrote: > The whatsnew updates (including the one for help) weren't copied into > rc3. They will be in final though, unless Larry forgets. Oh, cool - yes, it will be good to have an up to date What's New shipped, especially as part of the compiled Windows d

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-10 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:15:28 +0100, =?UTF-8?B?SnVya28gR29zcG9kbmV0acSH?= wrote: >Hi. > > On 8.3.2014. 6:48, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Yeah, the changes to help() are doubly indirect - help() uses pydoc > > which uses inspect, and inspect saw a lot of changes. > > > > I'll make a few updates to

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-10 Thread Jurko Gospodnetić
Hi. On 8.3.2014. 6:48, Nick Coghlan wrote: Yeah, the changes to help() are doubly indirect - help() uses pydoc which uses inspect, and inspect saw a lot of changes. I'll make a few updates to the What's New to help make the consequences of this clearer. Just looked through the latest 3.4r

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-07 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 8 March 2014 11:29, Terry Reedy wrote: > Perhaps add something to > > Other Language Changes > -- > * Signatures reported by help() have been modified and improved by Argument > Clinic and changes to the inspect module. Yeah, the changes to help() are doubly indirect - help

Re: [Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-07 Thread Terry Reedy
On 3/7/2014 3:10 PM, Jurko Gospodnetić wrote: Hi. I just noticed that the way help() function displays a function signature changed between Python 3.3 & 3.4 but I can not find this documented anywhere. Here's a matching example in both Python 3.3 & Python 3.4 for comparison: -

[Python-Dev] undocumented help() function change in Python 3.4?

2014-03-07 Thread Jurko Gospodnetić
Hi. I just noticed that the way help() function displays a function signature changed between Python 3.3 & 3.4 but I can not find this documented anywhere. Here's a matching example in both Python 3.3 & Python 3.4 for comparison: Python 3.3.3 (v