Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Edward Loper
Gregor Lingl wrote: > Yes,, and I have some ideas in this respect, but mainly a prioncipal > question. I read about > using doctest and unittest, but how does one devise > automatic test suites for graphical output. In the end it depends on how > it looks like. There are a few options here.. Tw

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Gregor Lingl wrote: > One question in this respect - how important do you consider > backward compatibility. When designing a new module the requirement > backward copmpatibility can have a big impact on the code although it > may in some parts be questionable. As an example let me mention the > r

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Gregor Lingl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: > Gregor Lingl wrote: > > ... >> (Who reviewed it? This is a _newly_added_ function - >> did nobody try it out yet? Incredible!!) >> > > Apparently not. Thanks for pointing that out; Georg (who committed the > patch originally) just fixed it in r47151. > > This illu

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Gregor Lingl wrote: > So, if you can't accept that offer - now, or even ever - , because it > contradicts your rules, that's o.k. But it's not 'my cause'. I > concieve it to be the community's cause. All "we" said is that we cannot integrate it now, as a policy matter. Nobody said it can't be in

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-29 Thread Paul Moore
On 6/28/06, Gregor Lingl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I made xturtle.py and that was a big effort. And I offer it to replace > turtle.py. I do this because I'm a Python enthusiast and I want a better > Python. (And I know very well that my contribution is rather marginal). > We all, I think, have t

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Gregor Lingl
Fredrik Lundh schrieb: > Gregor Lingl wrote: > > >> What a shame!! An immanent bug, persistent >> for years now! >> >> Is this what Anthony Baxter calls >> "the most solid Python release ever" >> > > do you really think stuff like this helps your cause ? > > Perhaps it dosn't help the tu

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Georg Brandl
Guido van Rossum wrote: > It was already patched by the other Georg. Thanks for the quick fix, georgbot! My pleasure, even if there's a difference between "Georg" and "Gregor" ;) cheers, Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://ma

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Gregor Lingl wrote: > For example: put turtle.py and xturtle.py both into beta2 and > see which one stands better the (beta)test of time. Or perhaps you have > an even better idea! As a compromise, we could put an ad into the turtle document (a "see also" link). Regards, Martin _

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Gregor Lingl wrote: > Sorry Martin, but to me this seems not to be the right way to manage > things. As you explain later, this is precisely the right way; it is unfortunate that it isn't always followed. > (Who reviewed it? This is a _newly_added_ function - > did nobody try it out yet? Incredib

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Guido van Rossum
It was already patched by the other Georg. Thanks for the quick fix, georgbot! --Guido On 6/28/06, Bob Ippolito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Gregor Lingl wrote: > > > Martin v. Löwis schrieb: > >> Collin Winter wrote: > >> > >>> While I have no opinion on Gregor's a

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jun 28, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Gregor Lingl wrote: > Martin v. Löwis schrieb: >> Collin Winter wrote: >> >>> While I have no opinion on Gregor's app, and while I fully agree >>> that >>> new language features and stdlib modules should generally stay >>> out of >>> bug-fix point releases, xturtl

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Gregor Lingl wrote: > What a shame!! An immanent bug, persistent > for years now! > > Is this what Anthony Baxter calls > "the most solid Python release ever" do you really think stuff like this helps your cause ? ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-

Re: [Python-Dev] xturtle.py a replacement for turtle.py(!?) ATTENTION PLEASE!

2006-06-28 Thread Gregor Lingl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: Collin Winter wrote: While I have no opinion on Gregor's app, and while I fully agree that new language features and stdlib modules should generally stay out of bug-fix point releases, xturtle doesn't seem to rise to that level (and hence, those restrictions).