Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-28 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 28 March 2014 21:12, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 20:32:02 +1000 > Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Most of the time when I hear people say "the PEP process is too >> difficult", I eventually find that what they really mean is "learning >> the kinds of things that python-dev are likely

Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-28 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 20:32:02 +1000 Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Most of the time when I hear people say "the PEP process is too > difficult", I eventually find that what they really mean is "learning > the kinds of things that python-dev are likely to be worried about, > and ensuring that the PEP adeq

Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-27 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 27 March 2014 12:11, Eli Bendersky wrote: > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: >> I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. > > YMMV but IMHO this is a good thing. PEPs provide a single point of reference > to a discussion that would otherwise be spread over multiple

Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-27 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Eli Bendersky writes: > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Benjamin Peterson > wrote: >> I would have said that, too, several years ago, but I think we've >> been requiring (or using anyway) PEPs for a lot more things now. > YMMV but IMHO this is a good thing. FWIW I was just talking to Mat

Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-26 Thread Ethan Furman
On 03/26/2014 07:11 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. YMMV but IMHO this is a good thing. PEPs provide a single point of reference to a discussion that would otherwise be spread over multiple centi-

Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-26 Thread Eli Bendersky
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014, at 14:25, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > On Mar 26, 2014, at 01:55 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > > > >It's not a bad idea. (I believe others have proposed an red-black tree.) > > >Certainly, it requires a PEP and a f

Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-26 Thread Ethan Furman
On 03/26/2014 02:46 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:37:40 -0400 Donald Stufft wrote: On Mar 26, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I guess if someone *wants* to go through the PEP gauntlet, I won't stop them. It builds character. Is that what it’s called? “character” >:]

Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-26 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:37:40 -0400 Donald Stufft wrote: > > On Mar 26, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > On Mar 26, 2014, at 02:27 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > > >> I would have said that, too, several years ago, but I think we've been > >> requiring (or using anyway) PEPs for a

Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-26 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 26, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mar 26, 2014, at 02:27 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > >> I would have said that, too, several years ago, but I think we've been >> requiring (or using anyway) PEPs for a lot more things now. OrderedDict >> had a PEP for example. >> >> I'm n

Re: [Python-Dev] On the necessity of PEPs [was "collections.sortedtree"]

2014-03-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 26, 2014, at 02:27 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: >I would have said that, too, several years ago, but I think we've been >requiring (or using anyway) PEPs for a lot more things now. OrderedDict >had a PEP for example. > >I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not. Hmm, me neither! I guess