[Python-ideas] Re: Unpacking in tuple/list/set/dict comprehensions

2021-11-13 Thread Neil Girdhar
> I propose (not for the first time) that similarly concatenating an unknown number of iterables or dicts should be possible via comprehensions: I'm really happy to see this feature proposal come up again! Every time, it seems this feature is even more intuitive to even more people, and I'm ex

[Python-ideas] Re: Adding pep8-casing-compliant aliases for the entire stdlib

2021-11-13 Thread Neil Girdhar
I like this comment. The proposal to change list and str is way too ambitious. But some minor cleanup might not be so pernicious? On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 5:31:49 PM UTC-5 Mike Miller wrote: > > I like this idea and disappointed it always gets a negative reaction. One > of my > bigg

[Python-ideas] Re: Adding pep8-casing-compliant aliases for the entire stdlib

2021-11-13 Thread Mike Miller
I like this idea and disappointed it always gets a negative reaction. One of my biggest peeves is this: import datetime # or from datetime import datetime Which is often confusing... is that the datetime module or the class someone chose at random in this module? A minor thorn that

[Python-ideas] Re: Adding pep-8-casing-compliant aliases for unittest and logging

2021-11-13 Thread Christopher Barker
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 3:52 AM Paul Moore wrote: I love pytest, and I'm a happy user of it. But I've never wanted it in > the stdlib. Because it's a developer tool, basically. I have no problem with getting pytest from PyPi for my projects. But there are two use cases where that’s less than i

[Python-ideas] Re: Adding pep8-casing-compliant aliases for the entire stdlib

2021-11-13 Thread Richard Damon
On 11/13/21 9:59 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Mark Mollineaux writes: > I'll simply say that while I am disappointed that there are so many > frictions here for whatever reason, For your personal use, you can create a module that just does import nonPEP8module pep8name = nonPEP8module.no

[Python-ideas] Re: Adding pep8-casing-compliant aliases for the entire stdlib

2021-11-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Mark Mollineaux writes: > I'll simply say that while I am disappointed that there are so many > frictions here for whatever reason, For your personal use, you can create a module that just does import nonPEP8module pep8name = nonPEP8module.nonpep8name ... _

[Python-ideas] Re: Adding pep-8-casing-compliant aliases for unittest and logging

2021-11-13 Thread Paul Moore
On Sat, 13 Nov 2021 at 08:47, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > A final comment: I wonder if you're being too conservative. It's true > that generally we prefer small targeted modules in the stdlib, but > everybody needs tests (even if they don't know it ;-), and there might > be quite large audienc

[Python-ideas] Re: Adding pep-8-casing-compliant aliases for unittest and logging

2021-11-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Jonathan Crall writes: > But perhaps a subset of it (pytest lite?) might be isolated and > considered for inclusion down the line? *Anything* might be considered for inclusion, although Guido might dispose of it with a simple "please, no". That is not going to happen to your suggestion! :-) B