[Python-ideas] Re: else without except

2023-08-01 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 08:22, Mitch wrote: > > If `except` is omitted, then catch the generic exception and do nothing and > exit. > Not sure what you mean here. If you have a try-finally with no except clause, no exceptions will be caught; the try will be run, then the finally, and then you'll s

[Python-ideas] Re: else without except

2023-08-01 Thread Mitch
Hmm, ok, I can work with that :) If I were writing Python right now, I would argue that if you're going to build this try/except/else/finally construct, each of the three result clauses represent potential outcomes. The fail case, the success case, and the no-matter-what case. And then, you should

[Python-ideas] Re: else without except

2023-08-01 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 04:03, Mitch wrote: > I'll ask the same question as OP: "Is there a reason why else without except > has to be invalid syntax?" > A better question is: "Is there a reason why else without except should be valid syntax?" ChrisA __

[Python-ideas] Re: else without except

2023-08-01 Thread Ronald Oussoren via Python-ideas
> On 1 Aug 2023, at 19:59, Mitch wrote: > > Is this a relevant argument (either way) here? Adding features to the language always has a cost in that it slightly complicates the language and makes it harder to teach. Because of that the bar for adding features is high. Showing how a new fea

[Python-ideas] Re: else without except

2023-08-01 Thread Mitch
Reading on mobile I missed that you were referencing Celelibi's answer and not the thread generally [facepalm]. My apologies for that. I've been previously bitten (multiple times) by code where a developer has used a try/except to catch errors from one of several actions in a try block, but a bug

[Python-ideas] Re: else without except

2023-08-01 Thread Mitch
Is this a relevant argument (either way) here? While I appreciate considering the applicability of the argument to existing code is generally a good thing, I'm not sure that it makes sense for cases like this where a logical outcome seems to be missing. If you can try/finally and then implicitly p

[Python-ideas] Re: else without except

2023-08-01 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 02:02, Celelibi wrote: > If later on an "except" is added, the developper doing the > modification should be reminded to move the call to > no_error_occurred() into an "else". With real-world non-trivial code, > it might not be so simple to see. > Can you give us an example

[Python-ideas] Re: else without except

2023-08-01 Thread Celelibi
2023-06-30 19:54 UTC+02:00, MRAB : > On 2023-06-30 14:55, Daniel Walker wrote: >> As most of you probably know, you can use else with try blocks: >> >> try: >> do_stuff() >> except SomeExceptionClass: >> handle_error() >> else: >> no_error_occurred() >> >> Here, no_error_occurred will