Re: [Python-ideas] Better error messages [was: (no subject)]

2016-12-04 Thread victor rajewski
Thanks for all of the thoughtful replies (and for moving to a more useful subject line). There is currently a big push towards teaching coding and computational thinking to school students, but a lack of skilled teachers to actually be able to support this, and I don't see any initiatives that wi

Re: [Python-ideas] Better error messages [was: (no subject)]

2016-12-04 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:15 AM, victor rajewski wrote: > There is currently a big push towards teaching coding and computational > thinking to school students, but a lack of skilled teachers to actually be > able to support this, and I don't see any initiatives that will address this > in a long-

Re: [Python-ideas] Better error messages [was: (no subject)]

2016-12-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
victor rajewski writes: >- I personally find the current error messages quite useful, and >they have the advantage of being machine-parseable, so that IDEs >such as PyCharm can add value to them. However, the audience of >this idea is not me, and probably not you. It is student

Re: [Python-ideas] Better error messages [was: (no subject)]

2016-12-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Chris Angelico writes: > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:15 AM, victor rajewski wrote: > > There is currently a big push towards teaching coding and > > computational thinking to school students, but a lack of skilled > > teachers to actually be able to support this, and I don't see any > > initia

Re: [Python-ideas] Better error messages [was: (no subject)]

2016-12-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Chris Angelico writes: > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:15 AM, victor rajewski wrote: > > There is currently a big push towards teaching coding and > > computational thinking to school students, but a lack of skilled > > teachers to actually be able to support this, and I don't see any > > initia

Re: [Python-ideas] Better error messages [was: (no subject)]

2016-12-04 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > That's not exactly what he said. High school teachers are likely to > be the product of education schools, and may be highly skilled in > building PowerPoint presentations, and have some experience in > programming, but not as a profes

Re: [Python-ideas] Better error messages [was: (no subject)]

2016-12-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 5 December 2016 at 09:15, victor rajewski wrote: > > There is currently a big push towards teaching coding and computational > thinking to school students, but a lack of skilled teachers to actually be > able to support this, and I don't see any initiatives that will address this > in a long-t

Re: [Python-ideas] Better error messages [was: (no subject)]

2016-12-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 5 December 2016 at 12:35, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: >> I don't know where you live, but in both of my countries there is a >> teacher's union to ensure that nobody without an Ed degree gets near a >> classroom. More precisely, volunt