As discussed at the November Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG meeting, we are
not going to have a December 14 ZPUG because of holiday goings-on.
Andrew Sawyers will present on Squid and Zope in our January 11
meeting (other topics TBD).
Zac Bir, Benji York, and Gary Poster will present in our
QOTW: ... '[B]ut assume that I have some other use case' isn't a valid
use case. - Fredrik Lundh
Rolling your own solution, on the other hand, can end in a long road
discovering what those CORBA people were doing for all those years. - Paul
Boddie
NOTW: sceptifications.
Steven D'Aprano
Martin v. Löwis schrieb:
As Mike has written in his last posting, you could easily fix that
by tweaking the equality relation as well. So technically speaking,
Mike is probably right.
No. If you define both __hash__ and __eq__ consistently, then __hash__
would meet the specification. As
I don't know what engine you are using. Basically all you have to do is
render the login form at the url of the page that needs the login.
You're going to have to hook in the authentication code before you
render the page normally. For instance, this is a common way I've been
doing it in various
Terry Hancock wrote:
I don't think there are any *security* reasons, but
stylistically, import os is greatly preferred. When
someone else reads your code, they will immediately know
where getcwd() comes from.
It's not a question of security in the usual sense, but
the first syntax
Michael Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how do I force the environmental variables set by one 'popen' or
'pexpect' to propagate throughout the entire Python session so that
any commands called will see those env variables?
A process's environment must be inherited from its parent, or set
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:54:24 -0800, Alex Martelli wrote:
My understanding is that both Oracle and SAP make most of their money
through consulting and customization rather than licencing or sales. I
Have you checked their quarterly statements recently?
Obviously not.
Thanks for going
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
(Kids! Pirating software is stealing!!!)
Or evaluating, depending of how you look at it.
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Rikard Bosnjakovic | Code chef - will cook for food
Peter Hansen wrote:
Actually, it's not so much baroque as it is safe... item[0] will fail if
the string is empty, while item[0:1] will return '' in that case.
Of course, as you point out, .startswith() is the better approach anyway.
$ timeit -s s = 'abc' s[:1] == 'a'
100 loops, best of
Bengt Richter wrote:
d.keys[:] = newkeyseq
Do you really mean just re-ordering the keys without a corresponding reording
of values??
That would be a weird renaming of all values. Or do you means that any key
should still
retrieve the same value as before if used as d[key]? In which case
Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
I will assume that d has is a Foord/Larosa ordered dict with sequence
attribute in the following.
Then, with other words,
d.keys[:] = newkeyseq
should do the same as:
d.sequence = newkeyseq
At least in the case where newkeyseq is a permutation of
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:39:13 +0100, Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
The software was sold in 3 separates modules requiring a yearly renewal,
The software is hardly sold if you have to renew that sale every year.
That's more like a lease. I'd call it revenue from licencing, not revenue
from sales.
Of
I think no matter what language you programs it, it is hard to
understand. Can you break it up into sub-problems first ? Like first
parsing the inventory file into a python dict, then also the fields
from web to another dict ?
Chris wrote:
Hi,
I'm new to python, and I'm trying to write a small
Note that I've done two things with the Foord/Larosa dict. ;-)
I've implemented slicing, including slice assignment and deletion. I've
also 'hidden' ``sequence``, but you can pass arguments to keys, values
and items.
I've done a second (experimental) implementation of a custom keys
object. This
First thing first, you need to find out if you are an
employee, not in the normal sense, but legal sense.
You're right. I know there has been a lot of case law to come down the
pike over the years, due to all sorts of issues. One of my friends is
a cab driver. His contract says that he is an
Bengt Richter schrieb:
OTOH,
{}[:]
Traceback (most recent call last):
File stdin, line 1, in ?
TypeError: unhashable type
I.e., slices are not valid keys for ordinary dicts, and slices tie in
very well with the ordered aspect of ordered dicts, so that's an
argument for permitting
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I am trying to learn GUI programming in Python, but have to confess I
am finding it difficult.
I am not an experienced programmer - just someone who from time to
time writes small programs for my use. Over the years I have
the problem you're seeing appears also if you use import web.one
or from web import one or __import__('web.one').
Thanks for the hint. You're right. This isn't actually imp related. The
standard import also fails.
if you replace the from web import statements with plain imports,
everything
Yup, these independent contractor test doctrines bite both way and in
your case, it is not in your advantage, usually.
I would suggest that whatever tools you want to make to enhance the
work(even it is inspired by your current task), don't use it on this
employer/client, at least not on their
Hi,
I'm playing around with the python external for PureData. (pyext)
I want to enable a patch to lookup something on the net.
I modified the search.py example from Dive Into Python and kind of
pasted it into the simple.py example from the pyext docs to be loaded in
a pd patch.
Loading the
Hello,
I'm trying to build python2.4.2 on IRIX6.5(cc version MIPSpro Compilers:
Version 7.3.1.3m).
But the socket module failed to compile.
I found this in ./Modules/socketmodule.c, line 193:
/* XXX Using _SGIAPI is the wrong thing,
194
I've got a large text processing task to attack (it's actually a genomics
task; matching DNA probes against bacterial genomes). I've got roughly
200,000 probes, each of which is a 25 character long text string. My first
thought is to compile these into 200,000 regexes, but before I launch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am trying to learn GUI programming in Python, but have to confess I
am finding it difficult.
Don't do it if you can prevent it.
GUI - toolkits are very complex beasts and at least to me a source of
pain far more as a joy. Python cannot help you making them
QOTW: ... '[B]ut assume that I have some other use case' isn't a valid
use case. - Fredrik Lundh
Rolling your own solution, on the other hand, can end in a long road
discovering what those CORBA people were doing for all those years. - Paul
Boddie
NOTW: sceptifications.
Steven D'Aprano
Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
Anyway, the original question was: Are mylist1 and mylist2 (as above) to
be considered hashable types or not?
I long forgot was the original question was (I thought it was
Why is dictionary.keys() a list and not a set? :-); anyway,
the answer to this question is
Wanting to explore tk under python, I must say that it seems to be very
difficult to find the required information in one single place.
I would like to give tk a try but as I need as a test something
equivalent of the Qt datagrid, I don't seem manage yet to get the
latest releases of tablelist,
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
I long forgot was the original question was (I thought it was
Why is dictionary.keys() a list and not a set? :-)
Er, yes. Probably we should have opened a new thread instead:
Improvement of the std lib doc concerning keys of sets/dicts.
-- Christoph
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I've posted this before, but not gotten an answer:
I found this site that has code that does readkey for Windows, Unix,
and in an updated version, Mac:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/134892
The Mac readkey class returns a character whether or not a key was
pressed. I
malv wrote:
Wanting to explore tk under python, I must say that it seems to be very
difficult to find the required information in one single place.
I would like to give tk a try but as I need as a test something
equivalent of the Qt datagrid, I don't seem manage yet to get the
latest releases
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:39:13 +0100, Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
The software was sold in 3 separates modules requiring a yearly renewal,
The software is hardly sold if you have to renew that sale every year.
That's more like a lease. I'd call it revenue from licencing,
Hi All,
I was wondering if there is a helper library out there that will nicely
encode artibrary text so that I can put in into a TEXT field in a
database and then retrieve it without getting into trouble with ',,new
lines or other such things that would foul the sql insert call and or
be a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was wondering if there is a helper library out there that will nicely
encode artibrary text so that I can put in into a TEXT field in a
database and then retrieve it without getting into trouble with ',,new
lines or other such things that would foul the sql insert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,
I was wondering if there is a helper library out there that will nicely
encode artibrary text so that I can put in into a TEXT field in a
database and then retrieve it without getting into trouble with ',,new
lines or other such things that would foul the
Hi,
What is your 'static' data (database), and what is your input-data?
Those 200.000 probes are your database? Perhaps they can be stored as
pickled compiled regexes and thus be loaded in pickled form; then you
don't need to keep them all in memory at once -- if you fear that
memory usage will
Thanks! Looks like I need to get a newer version of pysqlite into the
fink package tree since pysqlite 1.0.1 does not appear support that
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Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Fine. If you want to take rights away from the people you redistribute
somebody else's software to, then the GPL is not for you.
the people you distribute somebody else's open source software to
still have the same rights to that software as you
Hello there,
I am studying programming at University and we are basing the course on Python. We are currently looking at fractal curves and I was wondering if you could email me code for a dragon curve please, or a similar fractal curve.
Thank you
Steve
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I'm not what you'd call a programmer of any sort, so perhaps this
question may seem arcane and result in a plethora of you idiot
threads, but here goes:
ArcGIS 9.1 has a neat interface with python (2.1-2.4), allowing me to
do all sorts of spatial operations within python, namely, repetitive
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Thanks for going beyond the call of duty to research the facts in such
You're welcome! Like most amateur investors, I kid myself that research
makes my stock picks better (considering the tiny amounts one actually
invests, I doubt that any dollar
Roy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Is there any easy way to find out how much memory a Python object takes?
No, but there are a few early attempts out there at supplying SOME ways
(not necessarily easy, but SOME). For example, PySizer, at
http://pysizer.8325.org/.
Alex
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Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I think that the test for an empty iterator makes ireduce() unintuitive.
OK.
I misunderstood you point.
But that is needed to match the behavior of reduce.
reduce(operator.add,[],42)
42
Thanks,
Alan
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote:
Roy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Is there any easy way to find out how much memory a Python object takes?
No, but there are a few early attempts out there at supplying SOME ways
(not necessarily easy, but
mojosam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I will be doing the bulk of the coding on my own time, because I need
to be able to take these tools with me when I change employers.
However, I'm sure that in the course of using these tools, I will need
to spend time on the
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Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If they have the rights to the code, they can sell it, under the GPL or
any license of their choosing. In addition, if you GPL it, your employer
will be able to sell it, just like
mojosam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I would have to talk to a lawyer to be sure, but right now, I think I
can argue that anything I do on my own time belongs to me. I'm
technically a consultant right now (even though I'm spending 40
hours/week with the one
David Isaac wrote:
Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that the test for an empty iterator makes ireduce() unintuitive.
OK.
I misunderstood you point.
But that is needed to match the behavior of reduce.
reduce(operator.add,[],42)
42
Wouldn't an
Andrew Koenig wrote:
Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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You're in something of a gray area, but one that has seen a lot of
litigation. Although you are technically a consultant, you are
probably considered an employee with regards to the work made for hire
Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You're in something of a gray area, but one that has seen a lot of
litigation. Although you are technically a consultant, you are
probably considered an employee with regards to the work made for hire
doctrine. You should
Andrew Koenig wrote:
Yup. If you're not an employee (that is, if you get a 1099 form rather than
a W-2 form from your client), then any work you do belongs to you *except*
for what you agree in writing belongs to them. So if you write code that's
not part of any deliverable, it's yours.
Roy Smith wrote:
I've already discovered one (very) surprising thing -- if I build a dict
containing all my regexes (takes about 3 minutes on my PowerBook) and
pickle them to a file, re-loading the pickle takes just about as long as
compiling them did in the first place.
the internal RE byte
Hello,
I am a new programmer in Python and a need some help. Where can i get a
basic tutorial about Class. I don't know nothing about Object Oriented
Programming. Can you help me?
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Steve Heyburn wrote:
Hello there,
I am studying programming at University and we are basing the course on
Python.
We are currently looking at fractal curves and I was wondering if you could
email me code for a dragon curve please, or a similar fractal curve.
That is, at the Python interactive mode, if I hit the
upper arrow key, it'll bring up the last line of code.
At
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/fb8c2fd9eed0d/736fac8c33e84d0c?lnk=stq=python+%22upper+arrow%22rnum=2hl=en#736fac8c33e84d0c
, it seems that Michael
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not what you'd call a programmer of any sort, so perhaps this
question may seem arcane and result in a plethora of you idiot
threads, but here goes:
ArcGIS 9.1 has a neat interface with python (2.1-2.4), allowing me to
do all sorts of spatial operations within
Manuel11g wrote:
Hello,
I am a new programmer in Python and a need some help. Where can i get a
basic tutorial about Class. I don't know nothing about Object Oriented
Programming. Can you help me?
http://diveintopython.org/object_oriented_framework/index.html
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There is a function mx_sizeof() in the mx.Tools module from eGenix
which may be helpful. More at
http://www.egenix.com/files/python/eGenix-mx-Extensions.html#mxTools
/Jean Brouwers
PS) This is an approximation for memory usage which is useful in
certain, simple cases.
Each built-in type has
Hi all,
i'd like to know if there are any good XMLSchema (.xsd files) parsing modules
in python.
regards,
KM
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The name of the function in mx.Tools is sizeof() and not mx_sizeof().
My apologies.
Also, it turns out that the return value of mx.Tools.sizeof() function
is non-aligned. For example mx.Tools.sizeof(abcde) returns 29 which
is fine, but not entirely accurate.
/Jean Brouwers
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the problem isn't determining who owns it, the problem is determining
who's supposed to release it. that's not a very common problem in a
that's about what i meant.
i think, in c++, the ownership problem means the problem to determine who
and when is to delete an object, or to keep track
Anthony Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AL) escribió:
AL That is, at the Python interactive mode, if I hit the
AL upper arrow key, it'll bring up the last line of code.
AL At
AL
Andrew Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm pretty sure that there was a change to the copyright laws a few years
ago (perhaps as part of the DMCA), that made it clear that you own
everything you produce, unless you're a W-2 employee or there is a written
agreement to the contrary.
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mike Meyer wrote:
Personally, I think we'd be better off to come up with a term for this
property that doesn't have a commonly understood meaning that has such
broad areas of disagreement with the property. I've been using
hashable, which I would
Mike Meyer wrote:
Personally, I think we'd be better off to come up with a term for this
property that doesn't have a commonly understood meaning that has such
broad areas of disagreement with the property. I've been using
hashable, which I would currently define as has a __hash__ method
with the
Bryan wrote:
i agree with you... pyrex should be part of the python distribution :)
And this has been discussed on python-dev. Greg has stated though that
he doesn't feel it's ready (there are other factors, but this one is
overriding). There were also discussions about the fact that to get
Hi!
Geert Jansen wrote:
I'm trying to profile an application that I believe is blocking on I/O
for a significant amount of time. In trying to dig down where this
happens, I profiled the application with hotshot. The results are not
really usable however as it seems to display the amount of
Hello all.
I have a python script here which is just a wrapper for 2 or more system
commands. I would estimate the program spends at least 95.5% of 'real' time
running the system commands.
I want to trap the [crtl-c] key combo and exit (somewhat) gracefully if the
user decides to abort the
darren kirby wrote:
Hello all.
I have a python script here which is just a wrapper for 2 or more system
commands. I would estimate the program spends at least 95.5% of 'real' time
running the system commands.
I want to trap the [crtl-c] key combo and exit (somewhat) gracefully if the
You can tell by the exit code from system() whether the subprocess
exited due to a signal. Consider this code:
import os
while 1:
print os.system(sleep 1)
unless you happen to hit ctrl-c at the right time, you'll see it print
2 (and 0 when the sleep finishes). The exit code can
Anthony Liu wrote:
That is, at the Python interactive mode, if I hit the
upper arrow key, it'll bring up the last line of code.
At
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/fb8c2fd9eed0d/736fac8c33e84d0c?lnk=stq=python+%22upper+arrow%22rnum=2hl=en#736fac8c33e84d0c
hi,
I have an object defined with a number of hardcoded methods.
Class soandso:
def __init__(self):
self.this = 0
self.that = 1
def meth1(self):
...
def meth2(self):
...
def custom(self):
pass
I want to allow the user to write a python
First of all I'd like to thank all of you for your input. It's nice to
have a place to throw ideas around and get some feedback.
I think the reason the serial source code I'm using is using javax.comm
stuff which is possibly part of Jython is because I'm on Mac OS X.
However this is just my
Terry Hancock wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of these two ways you're not supposed to use for
security reasons, but I'm spacing on which one.
It's not a question of security in the usual sense, but
the first syntax imports a lot of stuff into the current
namespace, increasing the risk of
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Peter Hansen wrote:
Actually, it's not so much baroque as it is safe... item[0] will fail if
the string is empty, while item[0:1] will return '' in that case.
Of course, as you point out, .startswith() is the better approach anyway.
$ timeit -s s = 'abc' s[:1] == 'a'
Dear all,
I am very happy to announce the release of SCU3 V 0.1 and SCU3Python.u3p V.
0.1.
SCU3 is a python wrapper for U3 compliante devices
SCU3Python.u3p is a Python binary (2.4.2) packaged with SCU3 that allows to
launch idle from the U3 device launchpad
Both may be found on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I realize this is more on a driver/hardware level it's
interesting that it's so difficult to use a different protocol for an
existing driver. For example, all serial does is a series of high and
low voltages on specific pins. Why should it be
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can tell by the exit code from system() whether the subprocess
exited due to a signal. Consider this code:
import os
while 1:
print os.system(sleep 1)
unless you happen to hit ctrl-c at the right time, you'll see it print
2 (and 0 when the sleep
[Fredrik Lundh]
the internal RE byte code format is version dependent, so pickle
stores the patterns instead.
Oh! Nice to know. That explains why, when I was learning Python, my
initial experiment with pickles left me with the (probably wrong)
feeling that they were not worth the trouble.
ahhh I understand now
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Hi, thanks.
Look what I have:
$ python
Python 2.4.2 (#1, Nov 20 2005, 13:03:38)
[GCC 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2 3.3.1-2mdk)] on linux2
Yes, I realize that I don't have readline module
available.
The same Mandrake system has Python 2.3 as well, and
it has the readline module.
I don't know how
Flavio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Class soandso:
def __init__(self):
self.this = 0
self.that = 1
def meth1(self):
...
def meth2(self):
...
def custom(self):
pass
I want to allow the user to write a python module that declares a
why not just have your user subclass soandso and override the
definition of custom?
from soandso import soandso
class MyClass(soandso):
def custom(self):
self.theother = 3
c = MyClass()
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Peter Otten wrote:
David Isaac wrote:
Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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I think that the test for an empty iterator makes ireduce() unintuitive.
OK.
I misunderstood you point.
But that is needed to match the behavior of reduce.
Sometimes I find myself stumbling over Python issues which have to do
with what I perceive as a lack of orthogonality.
For instance, I just wanted to use the index() method on a tuple which
does not work. It only works on lists and strings, for no obvious
reason. Why not on all sequence types?
Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
Sometimes I find myself stumbling over Python issues which have to do
with what I perceive as a lack of orthogonality.
For instance, I just wanted to use the index() method on a tuple which
does not work. It only works on lists and strings, for no obvious
Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes. If it's not going to be used, then there's not much point.
Practicality beats purity, and all that.
Geez man, practicality beats purity only means that if maintaining
purity of something is impractical, you can judiciously let purity
slide. It doesn't
How do I set this variable in my .bash_profile? I have the html docs in
/usr/local/PythonDocs.
Thanks for any help...
Robert
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Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Me, personally, I had your definition in mind: hashable should indicate
returns a value constant over time and consistent with comparison.
I suggested that most people would consider hashable to mean:
hash() returns a value. To those people, it is a
Paul Rubin wrote:
Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes. If it's not going to be used, then there's not much point.
Practicality beats purity, and all that.
Geez man, practicality beats purity only means that if maintaining
purity of something is impractical, you can judiciously let
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Christoph Zwerschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For instance, I just wanted to use the index() method on a tuple which
does not work. It only works on lists and strings, for no obvious
reason. Why not on all sequence types?
Because Guido believes that tuples should
Let me ask back: Do I really need to bother and justify it with a use
case in a case where the language can be easily made more consistent or
orthogonal without breaking anything?
Robert Kern wrote:
Yes. If it's not going to be used, then there's not much point.
Practicality beats purity,
Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
Let me ask back: Do I really need to bother and justify it with a use
case in a case where the language can be easily made more consistent or
orthogonal without breaking anything?
Robert Kern wrote:
Yes. If it's not going to be used, then there's not much point.
For instance, I just wanted to use the index() method on a tuple which
does not work. ...
Aahz wrote:
Because Guido believes that tuples should be primarily used as
lightweight replacements for C structs. Therefore they have minimal
functionality.
But the problem is that the tutorials and
Hi all,
I'm using teh tkFileDialog to let teh user select a directory. We have
long names which make
it difficult to view the directories.
For some reason the GUI windows doesn;t expand on Windows like it does
on OS X or Linux.
Is there a method to make the widths of the tkFileDialog windows
Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
But it just led me to the general question: Which significance actually
have design features such as orthogonality for Python?
Probably very little. Python has not so much been designed as evolved.
Plus it's a fairly mature language (over 14 years old), and I
Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
For instance, I just wanted to use the index() method on a tuple which
does not work. ...
Aahz wrote:
Because Guido believes that tuples should be primarily used as
lightweight replacements for C structs. Therefore they have minimal
functionality.
But the
Mike Meyer wrote:
Any object for which hash() returns an appropriate value(1) can be
used as a dictionary key/set element. Lists, sets and dicts are not
hashable, and can not be used. Tuples can be used if all the things
they contain are hashable. instances of all other builin types can be
thank you, that was what I needed.
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Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Fine. Allow me to rephrase. Development is primarily motivated by
practical needs and guided by notions of purity.
That's bogus; if there was a discrepancy someone noticed and had to
work around, there's already been a practical failure, just not a
severe
On 27 Nov 2005 19:49:26 -0800, Paul Rubin http://phr.cx@nospam.invalid
wrote:
Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Use cases are the primary tool for communicating those practical
needs. If you can't think of a single use case, what's the point of
implementing something? Or rather, why should
Hi
The question why are there no sorted dictionaries in python, seems to
pop up with unseeming regularity. That question in itself in
nonsensical sense dictionaries are hash-maps, however should python
have a sorted map type object is a good question.
clearly many people like have a sorted map,
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