Re: is there a better way?

2006-02-10 Thread Schüle Daniel
[...] I have been using something like this: _ while list[0] != O: storage.append(list[0]) list.pop(0) if len(list) == 0: break _ But this seems ugly to me, and using while give me the heebies. Is there a better approach?

Re: Jython inherit from Java class

2006-02-10 Thread Mark Fink
I observed something strange when I tried to compile the jython class: D:\AUT_TEST\workspace\JyFIT\fitjythonc JyFitServer.py processing JyFitServer Required packages: fitnesse.util java.io java.net fitnesse.components* Creating adapters: Creating .java files: JyFitServer module

Re: Pulling all n-sized combinations from a list

2006-02-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Magnus Lycka wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But using the free SDK compiler from MS? That seems elusive. Have you seen this? http://www.vrplumber.com/programming/mstoolkit/ I have, although I haven't tried it as I was able to get a GMPY Windows binary from someone else. It may be that

Re: is there a better way?

2006-02-10 Thread Lonnie Princehouse
everybody is making this way more complicated than it needs to be. storage = list[:list.index(O)] incidentally, list is the name of a type, so you might want to avoid using it as a variable name. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Jython inherit from Java class

2006-02-10 Thread Kent Johnson
Mark Fink wrote: I observed something strange when I tried to compile the jython class: 'assert' is a keyword, and may not be used as an identifier (try -source 1.3 or lower to use 'assert' as an identifier) public static void assert(PyObject test, PyObject message) { Looks like

Re: Replacing curses

2006-02-10 Thread Ian Ward
Ross Ridge wrote: In general it's impossible to know how many display positions some random Unicode character might use. For example, Chinese characters normally take two display positions, but the terminal your using might not support them and display a single width replacement character.

installing python on a server?

2006-02-10 Thread John Salerno
Can anyone tell me how complicated it might be to install Python on my server so I can use it for web apps? Is it a one-time process, or something to maintain? Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: installing python on a server?

2006-02-10 Thread Rene Pijlman
John Salerno: Can anyone tell me how complicated it might be to install Python on my server so I can use it for web apps? 2 on a scale from 1 to 10. Is it a one-time process, or something to maintain? Both :-) I installed Python 2.2 - 2.4 from source on Linux with no problem whatsoever. I now

Re: installing python on a server?

2006-02-10 Thread John Salerno
Rene Pijlman wrote: John Salerno: Can anyone tell me how complicated it might be to install Python on my server so I can use it for web apps? 2 on a scale from 1 to 10. Is it a one-time process, or something to maintain? Both :-) I installed Python 2.2 - 2.4 from source on Linux

appending to a list via properties

2006-02-10 Thread Lonnie Princehouse
Here's a curious hack I want to put up for discussion. I'm thinking of writing a PEP for it. Observation - I found myself using this construct for assembling multiple lists: foo = [] qux = [] while some_condition: a, b = calculate_something()

Re: is there a better way?

2006-02-10 Thread Jeremy Dillworth
You could eliminate a few lines like this: - while list and list[0] != O: storage.append(list.pop(0)) - Adding the list and to the front of the logic test will catch when there are 0 elements, so the if..break lines are not needed.

two generators working in tandem

2006-02-10 Thread john peter
I'd like to write two generators: one is a min to max sequence number generator that rolls over to min again once the max is reached. the other is a generator that cycles throughN (say, 12)labels. currently, i'm using these generators in nested loops like this:seq_numbers =

Re: is there a better way?

2006-02-10 Thread Schüle Daniel
Lonnie Princehouse wrote: everybody is making this way more complicated than it needs to be. storage = list[:list.index(O)] the question is whether the old list is needed in the future or not if not then it would be easer/mor efficient to use del lst[lst.index(0):] Regards, Daniel --

Re: how to kill a python process?

2006-02-10 Thread Steve Horsley
MackS wrote: Hello! This question does not concern programming in python, but how to manage python processes. Is there a way to name a python process? At least on Linux, if I have two python programs running, they both run under the name python #pidof program1.py [empty line] #pidof

Re: in over my head ascii

2006-02-10 Thread Blair P. Houghton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so. how do i make 200 occupy 4 bytes ? Did you double-check that they didn't want 0200 in ascii in the message? As in: STX0200ENX Because that's always possible. And, if you're _lucky_, they designed the innards of the message so that ENX can

Re: is there a better way?

2006-02-10 Thread Schüle Daniel
I don't want to hijack the thread I was thinking whether something like lst.remove(item = 0, all = True) would be worth adding to Python? it could have this signature def remove(item, nItems = 1, all = False) ... return how_many_deleted lst.remove(item = 0, nItems = 1)

Re: Question about idioms for clearing a list

2006-02-10 Thread Bryan Olson
Magnus Lycka wrote: Bryan Olson wrote: Magnus Lycka wrote: Bryan Olson wrote: big_union = set() for collection in some_iter: big_union.update(t) collection.clear() I don't understand the second one. Where did 't' come from? Cut-and-past carelessness. Meant

Re: installing python on a server?

2006-02-10 Thread Renato
You mentioned using python for web apps: with which framework? (TurboGears, CherryPy, Subway, Django, whatever) Or only for cgi? With which web server? (Apache, Twisted, Zope, etc.) On which linux platform? (Slackware, Debian, Fedora/RedHat, Suse, etc) I think you'll have to think about other

Re: * 'struct-like' list *

2006-02-10 Thread Bengt Richter
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:10:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) wrote: [...] ernesto.py - [...] Just noticed: substrings = line.split() if substrings and isinstance(substrings, list) and substrings[0] == 'Name:':

Re: installing python on a server?

2006-02-10 Thread Rene Pijlman
John Salerno: Hmm, sounds easy, yet I don't know where to start. try: browser.browse(http://www.python.org/download/) package = download(yourPlatform) package.unpack() exec(README.read()) except: post specifics -- René Pijlman --

Re: Daemon terminates unexpected

2006-02-10 Thread Steve Horsley
Incorporating Fredrik's fix (I learned something new reading that), try using an endless loop even if there is an exception like this: def run(self): while True: try: start an SMTP-Server asyncore.loop() except:

arrays in python

2006-02-10 Thread Kermit Rose
From: Kermit Rose Date: 02/10/06 17:36:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Arrays Hello. I want to write a program in python using integer arrays. I wish to calculate formulas using 200 digit integers. I could not find any documentation in python manual about declaring arrays. I

Re: arrays in python

2006-02-10 Thread Steve Holden
Kermit Rose wrote: From: Kermit Rose Date: 02/10/06 17:36:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Arrays Hello. I want to write a program in python using integer arrays. I wish to calculate formulas using 200 digit integers. I could not find any documentation in python manual

absolute removal of '\n' and the like

2006-02-10 Thread S Borg
Hello, If I have a string, what is the strongest way to assure the removal of any line break characters? Line break characters must always be the last character in a line, so would this:str = linestring[:-1] work? This is my first real 'learning python' project, and I don't want to get

Re: appending to a list via properties

2006-02-10 Thread Larry Bates
Lonnie Princehouse wrote: Here's a curious hack I want to put up for discussion. I'm thinking of writing a PEP for it. Observation - I found myself using this construct for assembling multiple lists: foo = [] qux = [] while some_condition: a, b =

Re: Legality of using Fonts

2006-02-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:08:28 -0800, Kamilche wrote: I have a question for all you Pythoneers out there. I'm making a game with Python, and have a need for fonts. I am currently using a free TrueType font, but am considering switching to a bitmap font instead. Let's say I own a font, and use

Re: absolute removal of '\n' and the like

2006-02-10 Thread Russell Blau
S Borg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If I have a string, what is the strongest way to assure the removal of any line break characters? Line break characters must always be the last character in a line, so would this:str = linestring[:-1] work? Er, yes,

Re: arrays in python

2006-02-10 Thread Schüle Daniel
I want to write a program in python using integer arrays. you can :) I wish to calculate formulas using 200 digit integers. no problem I could not find any documentation in python manual about declaring arrays. I searched the internet read here

Re: installing python on a server?

2006-02-10 Thread 3c273
Renato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -snip- On systems with package management (pretty much all of them, except Slack) install is a matter of a few commands. And you can automate it, obviously. Slackware has package management, (pkgtool, installpkg, removepkg,

Re: read-only attributes

2006-02-10 Thread john peter
Thank you for the suggestion!bruno at modulix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: limodou wrote: On 2/10/06, john peter wrote:(snip) what do i have to do if i want my application code to haveread-only attributes? I think you may consider property() built-in function: property( [fget[, fset[, fdel[,

cmd

2006-02-10 Thread Gerber
I'd like some documentation on the cmd module, besides the regular docs, in help() and docs.python.org... Gerber -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ordered sets operations on lists..

2006-02-10 Thread bonono
Raymond Hettinger wrote: The intersection step is unnecessary, so the answer can be simplified a bit: filter(set(l2).__contains__, l1) [5, 3] filter(set(l1).__contains__, l2) [3, 5] stand corrected. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: is there a better way?

2006-02-10 Thread Scott David Daniels
Scott David Daniels wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem: You have a list of unknown length, such as this: list = [X,X,X,O,O,O,O]. You want to extract all and only the X's. You know the X's are all up front and you know that the item after the last X is an O, or that the list ends with

installing matplotlib in cygwin

2006-02-10 Thread nashmeister
has anyone had any success compiling matplotlib in cygwin? i had some rebasing problems that i got around, but when i finally got everything to install without any complaints and did import pylab i got dumped out of python altogether without any errors. some thing i did: cd /usr/lib ln -s

Re: module with __call__ defined is not callable?

2006-02-10 Thread Bengt Richter
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:07:49 +1100, Delaney, Timothy (Tim) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: That's not a _reason_, it is just a (re-)statement of fact. We know that defining a __call__ method on a module doesn't make it callable. Why not? The answer isn't because defining a

Re: absolute removal of '\n' and the like

2006-02-10 Thread S Borg
Russ, Thanks a ton for ending a 3 day headache. S -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Socket Programming - Question

2006-02-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am relatively new to Python, and wanted to see if this is even possible, and if so how to go about implementing it. What I'm looking to do is create a client/server application that does the following: 1) System2 listens on port 1023 2) System1 connects to System2 and sends traffic to it -

Re: cmd

2006-02-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:47:14 +0100, Gerber wrote: I'd like some documentation on the cmd module, besides the regular docs, in help() and docs.python.org... Is this a trick question? You'd like some documentation apart from the documentation? Have you tried reading the source code to the

Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Walzer
...with a twist. I'm undertaking my first semi-substantial Python GUI application after a long time dabbling with the language. I'm fairly experienced with Tcl/Tk, so Tkinter seems the obvious choice to reduce my Python learning curve. However, my Tcl applications typically make use of a *lot*

Re: arrays in python

2006-02-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:50:21 -0500, Kermit Rose wrote: I want to write a program in python using integer arrays. I wish to calculate formulas using 200 digit integers. Must the integers have exactly 200 digits? If you multiply one of these 200-digit integers by ten, should it silently

Re: absolute removal of '\n' and the like

2006-02-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:21:58 -0800, S Borg wrote: Hello, If I have a string, what is the strongest way to assure the removal of any line break characters? What do you mean strongest? Fastest, most memory efficient, least lines of code, most lines of code, least bugs, or just a vague best?

Re: any way to customize the is operator?

2006-02-10 Thread Lonnie Princehouse
Why did you want to customize is? Well, mostly out of principle ;-) But also because I'm wrapping a C library which passes around C structs which are wrapped in shim C++ classes for a Boost.Python layer. Boost Python does a marvelous job of translating between Python and C++ data types; when a

Re: arrays in python

2006-02-10 Thread plahey
Oh, don't tell me, I love playing guessing games! Don't you mean No no... don't tell me. I'm keen to guess. Sorry, I couldn't resist... :-) (for those who just went huh?, see http://www.aldo.com/sgt/CheeseShoppeSkit.htm) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: is there a better way?

2006-02-10 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:37:59 +0100 in comp.lang.python, Schüle Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie Princehouse wrote: everybody is making this way more complicated than it needs to be. storage = list[:list.index(O)] the question is whether the old list is needed in the future or not if

Re: Legality of using Fonts

2006-02-10 Thread Kamilche
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, as well. Showing all the text on an image is one thing... using that image as the basis of a font engine is something different. Luckily, someone has sent me a link to a set of free TrueType fonts - http://www.gnome.org/fonts , the 'Vera' family. I guess I'll turn

Re: Socket Programming - Question

2006-02-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An example of what I am looking to use this for is for remote virus scanning. So System2 listens, System1 connects and sends it the Just found this through OSNews: http://rpyc.sourceforge.net/ It actually seems to be a perfect fit for your job. Lorenzo --

PySizeof: almost useful

2006-02-10 Thread Ian Leitch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi list, I'm writing a little module to calculate the size of given objects, I just need a few little pointers to get the thing into a useful shape. Code here: http://dev.gentoo.org/~port001/Code/PySizeof/ The points I'm confused about are: 1. My

Re: Socket Programming - Question

2006-02-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-02-11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am relatively new to Python, and wanted to see if this is even possible, and if so how to go about implementing it. What I'm looking to do is create a client/server application that does the following: 1) System2 listens on port

Re: Scientific Computing with NumPy

2006-02-10 Thread David M. Cooke
linda.s [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: where to download numpy for Python 2.3 in Mac? Thanks! Linda I don't know if anybody's specifically compiled for 2.3; I think most of the developers on mac are using 2.4 :-) But (assuming you have the developer tools installed) it's really to compile: python

equivalent functions?

2006-02-10 Thread wietse
Hello, I'm reading Text processing in Python by David Mertz. In there he defines a function apply_each = lambda fns, args=[]: map(apply, fns, [args]*len(fns)) I thought that this would be equivalent to: apply_each = lambda fns, args=[]: [f(args) for f in fns] Can anybody confirm this? If

Re: equivalent functions?

2006-02-10 Thread Lonnie Princehouse
Very close... it is equivalent to: apply_each = lambda fns, args=[]: [f(*args) for f in fns] The asterisk in f(*args) expands the sequence to fill the arguments to f, where as f(args) would pass the args as only the first argument to the function. apply is deprecated, replaced by the

Re: equivalent functions?

2006-02-10 Thread wietse
Got it! Thanks for your time. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: equivalent functions?

2006-02-10 Thread wietse
Got it! Thanks for your time. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: breaking from loop

2006-02-10 Thread George Sakkis
Using the (non-standard yet) path module (http://www.jorendorff.com/articles/python/path/), your code can be simplified to: from path import path, copy def copy_first_match(repository, filename, dest_dir): try: first_match = path(repository).walkfiles(filename).next() except

Re: absolute removal of '\n' and the like

2006-02-10 Thread S Borg
Steven, Thank you very much for your insights. They are quite helpful. S -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Socket Programming - Question

2006-02-10 Thread D
Thanks! Now, I'm a bit confused as to exactly how it works - will it display the output of what it executes on the target system? I would like to create a window in Tktinker to where a user can select options (such as run scan on remote system) - it would then run the command-line based scan and

Re: Socket Programming - Question

2006-02-10 Thread D
I've used os.popen() before, but if I execute it on a remote system how could I get the output back to the requesting machine? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Socket Programming - Question

2006-02-10 Thread Paul Rubin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am relatively new to Python, and wanted to see if this is even possible, and if so how to go about implementing it. What I'm looking to do is create a client/server application that does the following: 1) System2 listens on port 1023 2)

Re: Jython inherit from Java class

2006-02-10 Thread Frank LaFond
Jython 2.2 Alpha 1 supports Java 1.5 Frank. Kent Johnson wrote: Mark Fink wrote: I observed something strange when I tried to compile the jython class: 'assert' is a keyword, and may not be used as an identifier (try -source 1.3 or lower to use 'assert' as an identifier) public static

Re: Socket Programming - Question

2006-02-10 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2006-02-11, D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used os.popen() before, but if I execute it on a remote system how could I get the output back to the requesting machine? Write it to the socket? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Where does it go when

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-10 Thread Dan Sommers
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:16:36 -0500, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, my application has to run on OS X and Windows, and will be commercial, so this combination of requirements rules out PyGTK/PyQt/just about every other cross-platform GUI toolkit. According to their

Re: functional 0.5 released

2006-02-10 Thread bonono
Collin Winter wrote: As always, feedback welcome! Any specific reason flip only flip the first 2 arguments rather than the whole tuple ? That is, I would like to see: assert(f(a,b,c, d) == flip(f)(d, c, b, a)) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Legality of using Fonts

2006-02-10 Thread Ross Ridge
Steven D'Aprano wrote: It is highly unlikely that any judge will be fooled by a mere change in format (but Your Honour, I converted the TTF file into a bitmap). If that were true, almost the entire X11 bitmap font collection would be illegal. Fonts aren't subject copyright, just the hints in

Re: Legality of using Fonts

2006-02-10 Thread Robert Kern
Ross Ridge wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: It is highly unlikely that any judge will be fooled by a mere change in format (but Your Honour, I converted the TTF file into a bitmap). If that were true, almost the entire X11 bitmap font collection would be illegal. Fonts aren't subject

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-10 Thread Kevin Walzer
Dan Sommers wrote: On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:16:36 -0500, Kevin Walzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, my application has to run on OS X and Windows, and will be commercial, so this combination of requirements rules out PyGTK/PyQt/just about every other cross-platform GUI

Re: Scientific Computing with NumPy

2006-02-10 Thread Alex Martelli
David M. Cooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: linda.s [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: where to download numpy for Python 2.3 in Mac? Thanks! Linda I don't know if anybody's specifically compiled for 2.3; I think most of the developers on mac are using 2.4 :-) However, what comes with MacOSX is

Re: installing python on a server?

2006-02-10 Thread John Salerno
Renato wrote: You mentioned using python for web apps: with which framework? (TurboGears, CherryPy, Subway, Django, whatever) Or only for cgi? With which web server? (Apache, Twisted, Zope, etc.) On which linux platform? (Slackware, Debian, Fedora/RedHat, Suse, etc) I think you'll have

Re: by reference

2006-02-10 Thread Tim Roberts
dirvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks but I am a bit unsure as to what error I have made by posting this question. I am not trying to be funny but can you give me a pointer to the issue. The problem is that your question is quite unclear. I suggest that you post your exact Python code, with

Re: Inserting record with Microsoft Access

2006-02-10 Thread Tim Roberts
jeffhg582003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am developing a python script which add records to a microsoft access tables. All my tables have autogenerated number fields. I am trying to capture the number generated from the insert but I am not exactly sure how to do that after an insert.

Re: is there a better way?

2006-02-10 Thread Alex Martelli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problem: You have a list of unknown length, such as this: list = [X,X,X,O,O,O,O]. You want to extract all and only the X's. You know the X's are all up front and you know that the item after the last X is an O, or that the list ends with an X.

Re: is there a better way?

2006-02-10 Thread Paul Rubin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But this seems ugly to me, and using while give me the heebies. Is there a better approach? Note that list is the name of a built-in type; I used mylist. Alex Martelli described how to do it in log n time using the bisect module. Here's a dumb

Re: Legality of using Fonts

2006-02-10 Thread Terry Hancock
On 10 Feb 2006 09:08:28 -0800 Kamilche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's say I own a font, and use it in a paint program to 'draw some text' on a picture that I slap up on the Internet. Everything's probably fine, right? But what if I draw some text on a bitmap on the hard drive, add drop

Is is is [was: any way to customize the is operator?]

2006-02-10 Thread Steve Holden
Lonnie Princehouse wrote: Why did you want to customize is? Well, mostly out of principle ;-) But also because I'm wrapping a C library which passes around C structs which are wrapped in shim C++ classes for a Boost.Python layer. Boost Python does a marvelous job of translating between

Re: installing python on a server?

2006-02-10 Thread Terry Hancock
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:22:07 GMT John Salerno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me how complicated it might be to install Python on my server so I can use it for web apps? Is it a one-time process, or something to maintain? Installing Python on a server is really, really easy. At

test

2006-02-10 Thread Bock
test comp.lang.python -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

[ python-Bugs-1429063 ] set documentation deficiencies

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[ python-Bugs-1429053 ] set documentation deficiencies

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[ python-Bugs-1429053 ] set documentation deficiencies

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[ python-Bugs-1429481 ] For loop exit early

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[ python-Bugs-1429481 ] For loop exit early

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