On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:14:55 +0200, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to
Python's standard library:
I don't think that you want to re-implement RPy.
I never suggested re-implementing RPy. When you read the PEP, you will
see that this
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:03:46 -0700, englishkevin110 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:58:07 PM UTC-5, Joel Goldstick wrote:
[fixing Joel's top-posting]
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:51 PM, wrote:
I know the title doesn't make much sense, but I didnt know how to
explain my problem.
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:34:45 +, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
Michael Torrie wrote:
[...]
However I know of no phone or network that won't let you use longer
messages; multiple SMS packets are used and most phone paste them back
together. So no there's nothing that anyone needs to change to use
On 14 August 2013 02:20, Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Ned Batchelder wrote:
Everyone: this program seems to be a direct and misguided transliteration
from a bash script.
Not a particularly well-written bash script, either --
it's full of superfluous uses of 'cat'.
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 05:25:34 -0700, rlkling wrote:
Or, asking another way, are there any python libraries that display images
to 10 bit monitors as 10 bit images, and not scaled to 8 bit?
This should be possible using PyOpenGL and GLUT, with:
glutInitDisplayString(red=10 green=10
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:10:41 -0700, Jack Bates wrote:
Is there anything like os.pipe() where you can read/write both ends?
There's socket.socketpair(), but it's only available on Unix.
Windows doesn't have AF_UNIX sockets, and anonymous pipes (like the ones
created by os.pipe()) aren't
Nobody nobody at nowhere.com writes:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:10:41 -0700, Jack Bates wrote:
Is there anything like os.pipe() where you can read/write both ends?
There's socket.socketpair(), but it's only available on Unix.
Windows doesn't have AF_UNIX sockets, and anonymous pipes (like
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:12:56 -0700, Gary Herron wrote:
On 08/13/2013 09:51 PM, eschneide...@comcast.net wrote:
How can I use the '.split()' method (am I right in calling it a
method?) without instead of writing each comma between words in the pie
list in the following code? Also, is there a
Hi ,
Is there a way to validate variable values while debugging any python code.Run
below example in debugging mode and i would like to know the value of c (I
know print is an option) with any other option other than printing.
In C# or some other tools we can verify each statement and values.
On 14 August 2013 09:30, Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:12:56 -0700, Gary Herron wrote:
On 08/13/2013 09:51 PM, eschneide...@comcast.net wrote:
How can I use the '.split()' method (am I right in calling it a
method?) without instead of writing each comma
Hi Chandan,
Python has built-in module called pdb which can be used for debugging.
Importing it in the right place will be like setting break point in code
and will change the execution to debugging mode. We can use different
debugging commands ((n)ext, (c)ontinue, (s)tep etc) to evaluate
Joshua Landau wrote:
On 14 August 2013 09:30, Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:12:56 -0700, Gary Herron wrote:
On 08/13/2013 09:51 PM, eschneide...@comcast.net wrote:
How can I use the '.split()' method (am I right in calling it a
method?) without instead of
On 14 August 2013 12:45, Peter Otten __pete...@web.de wrote:
Joshua Landau wrote:
On 14 August 2013 09:30, Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote:
I would agree with the last statement.
Please write list definitions as lists rather than taking a short-cut to
save a few key presses
That's
chandan kumar wrote:
Hi ,
Is there a way to validate variable values while debugging any python
code.Run below example in debugging mode and i would like to know the value
of c (I know print is an option) with any other option other than printing.
In C# or some other tools we can verify
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Joshua Landau jos...@landau.ws wrote:
On 14 August 2013 02:20, Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Ned Batchelder wrote:
Everyone: this program seems to be a direct and misguided transliteration
from a bash script.
Not a particularly
On 14 August 2013 13:07, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Joshua Landau jos...@landau.ws wrote:
What's wrong with cat? Sure it's superfluous but what makes it *bad*?
Personally I often prefer the pipe cat x | y form to x y... or
y x.
What's the use
In article mailman.573.1376482061.1251.python-l...@python.org,
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Joshua Landau jos...@landau.ws wrote:
On 14 August 2013 02:20, Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Ned Batchelder wrote:
Everyone: this
You can even use logging module in python to validate the variable values.
You can import the module and use any of the following levels in your
program
import logging
logging.CRITICAL, logging.ERROR, logging.WARNING, logging.INFO,
logging.DEBUG
For more you can refer to,
Hi all,
I have a Ubuntu server running NGINX that logs data for me.
I want to write a python script that reads my customized logs and after
a little rearrangement save the new data into my DB (postgresql).
The process should run about every 5 minutes and i'm expecting large chunks of
data on
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:31:01 +0100, Joshua Landau wrote:
On 14 August 2013 09:30, Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:12:56 -0700, Gary Herron wrote:
On 08/13/2013 09:51 PM, eschneide...@comcast.net wrote:
How can I use the '.split()' method (am I right in calling
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 09:18 AM, Guy Tamir wrote:
Hi all,
I have a Ubuntu server running NGINX that logs data for me.
I want to write a python script that reads my customized logs and after
a little rearrangement save the new data into my DB (postgresql).
The process should run about
Hello,
here is a small basic question :
Is it possible to have more than one constructor (__init__ function) in a
class? For instance, to create an object with 2 different ways? If my
memory is good, I think that with C++ it is possible.
Thanks for your answer.
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Awesome, thanks for the detailed response Chris.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Demian Brecht demianbre...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi all,
Some work that I'm doing atm is in some serious need of
parallelization. As such,
Le mercredi 14 août 2013 13:55:23 UTC+2, Joshua Landau a écrit :
On 14 August 2013 12:45, Peter Otten __pete...@web.de wrote:
Joshua Landau wrote:
On 14 August 2013 09:30, Alister alister.w...@ntlworld.com wrote:
I would agree with the last statement.
Please write list definitions
2013/8/14 climb65 clim...@laposte.net
Hello,
here is a small basic question :
Is it possible to have more than one constructor (__init__ function) in a
class? For instance, to create an object with 2 different ways? If my
memory is good, I think that with C++ it is possible.
Thanks for
On 14/08/13 15:16, climb65 wrote:
Hello,
here is a small basic question :
Is it possible to have more than one constructor (__init__ function) in a
class? For instance, to create an object with 2 different ways? If my
memory is good, I think that with C++ it is possible.
Thanks for your
Hi, I'd like to announce Pyrolite 1.12, a tiny (~60k) pickle and Pyro client
library for
Java and .NET.
Question: what is a java/.net library doing in this newsgroup?
Answer 1: This library is meant to connect a Java or .NET program to Python in
a very
simple way, using the Pyro protocol. Pyro
In 40816fed-38d4-4baa-92cc-c80cd8feb...@googlegroups.com
englishkevin...@gmail.com writes:
I know the title doesn't make much sense, but I didnt know how to explain my
problem.
Anywho, I've opened a page's source in URLLIB
starturlsource = starturlopen.read()
string.find(starturlsource,
chandan kumar wrote:
Hi ,
Is there a way to validate variable values while debugging any python
code.Run below example in
debugging mode and i would like to know the value of c (I know print is an
option) with any other
option other than printing.
In C# or some other tools we can
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 10:32, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm always and still be suprised by the number of hard coded
'\n' one can find in Python code when the portable (here
win)
os.linesep
'\r\n'
exists.
Because high-level code isn't supposed to use the os module directly.
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM, random...@fastmail.us wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 10:32, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm always and still be suprised by the number of hard coded
'\n' one can find in Python code when the portable (here
win)
os.linesep
'\r\n'
exists.
Because
On 2013-08-14 18:14, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM, random...@fastmail.us wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 10:32, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm always and still be suprised by the number of hard coded
'\n' one can find in Python code when the portable (here
win)
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:05 PM, random...@fastmail.us wrote:
Because high-level code isn't supposed to use the os module directly.
That seems a bit extreme. One would hope that Guido and the rest of
the crew created the os module so people would use it instead of
resorting to other lower
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Tim Chase
python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote:
On 2013-08-14 18:14, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:05 PM, random...@fastmail.us wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 10:32, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm always and still be suprised by the number
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:16 AM, climb65 clim...@laposte.net wrote:
Hello,
here is a small basic question :
Is it possible to have more than one constructor (__init__ function) in a
class? For instance, to create an object with 2 different ways? If my
memory is good, I think that with C++
On 8/14/2013 12:36 PM, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
chandan kumar wrote:
Is there a way to validate variable values while debugging any python code.
In addition to pdb, I would imagine most Python IDEs would support debugging in
this manner.
Idle also has a debugger. It uses the same bdb base
On 8/14/2013 1:05 PM, random...@fastmail.us wrote:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013, at 10:32, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm always and still be suprised by the number of hard coded
'\n' one can find in Python code when the portable (here
win)
os.linesep
'\r\n'
exists.
Because high-level code isn't
On Friday, August 9, 2013 9:10:18 PM UTC-4, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
I am seeking comments on PEP 450, Adding a statistics module to Python's
standard library:
I think it's a very good idea. Good PEP points, too. I hope it happens.
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Eric Snow added the comment:
Yep. In 2.7 and 3.2 the PyImport_ExecCodeModuleEx() function in
Python/importlib.c returns the module found in sys.modules. Here is a patch.
I suppose this should be fixed in 2.7 as well. Thoughts?
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Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
What about SOCK_STREAM, SOCK_DGRAM, and SOCK_RAW?
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Lets push it. Lars?
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Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
Using #include _sre.c in _sre.c looks weird. Instead of huge sections
delimited by #ifdef SRE_RECURSIVE, I would prefer something similar to the
stringlib. .h template files included more than once. I also expect shorter
files: _sre.c is close to 4000
Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
I'm not really thrilled by the current implementation. The way it is done leads
to duplication among socket constants. Also, if I create a socket from a
numeric value (because a well-known socket family is known yet known by
Python), then socket.family will
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Hello,
I would like to see an implementation for SSL/TLS pinning in the sll module of
the standard library.
At this moment it's only possible to give the client a CAcert and check if the
server's certificate is signed with this CA by creating a ssl.Context
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TLS cert pinning should be possible with the implementation of #18293
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raymontag added the comment:
Yep, that's exactly what I meant :)
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
If you want to check for a specific server certificate, then I guess it should
be enough to expose the cert's fingerprint in the data returned by
getpeercert().
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Christian Heimes added the comment:
getpeercert() doesn't return Subject Public Key Info yet. It's on my TODO list.
Chrome uses SPKI (PK algo + mod + exp) to pin certs,
https://www.imperialviolet.org/2011/05/04/pinning.html
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raymontag added the comment:
Yeah, this was my first idea, too.
Are there at this moment other possibilities to implement pinning myself with
the options the module provides me?
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New submission from Basil Peace:
HTML pages inside CHM documentation use the following tag to set applied
character set:
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso8859_1 /
`iso8859_1` is neither valid character set according to IANA registry nor is
recognized by most
Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Are there at this moment other possibilities to implement pinning
myself with the options the module provides me?
I don't think so. Perhaps you could use the serialNumber, but I'm not
sure how safe it is, even when restricting to a single CA cert.
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sha256(conn.getpeercert(True)) works until the cert gets e.g. more SAN fields.
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raymontag added the comment:
That's not a good idea, a serial number could be faked.
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
sha256(conn.getpeercert(True)) works until the cert gets e.g. more
SAN fields.
Indeed, that's simply comparing the certificate by binary value. At this
point you don't even need a CA anymore, I guess :-)
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
I have added documentation now so I think it is ready to merge
(except for a change to Makefile).
Good for me. This is a very nice addition!
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raymontag added the comment:
Great, that matches my needs exactly
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Ah, good point. My only issue with the patch is that www.python.org will be
resolved for every test method, even those that don't use remote_addr. This
will make test_timeout unnecessarily slower.
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
You can probably use a StringIO for the file object, no need to create a
temporary file.
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Eli Bendersky added the comment:
I'm not really thrilled by the current implementation. The way it is done
leads to duplication among socket constants.
Can you clarify which duplication you mean specifically? In the code review
tool, Serhiy proposed that instead of listing all the constants
Eli Bendersky added the comment:
What about SOCK_STREAM, SOCK_DGRAM, and SOCK_RAW?
This is a proof of concept. As I mentioned in the original message starting
this issue - the SOCK_* constants will get the same treatment as AF_*
constants, once we decide what the right treatment is.
Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
We can do this in the setUpClass() method.
Or we can wrap the resolve_address() method with the @functools.lru_cache()
decorator.
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Mark Dickinson added the comment:
Steven: were you planning to start a discussion thread on python-dev for PEP
450? I see that there's some activity on python-list and on python-ideas, but
I think most core devs would expect the main discussions to happen on the
python-dev mailing list.
Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Can you clarify which duplication you mean specifically? In the code
review
tool, Serhiy proposed that instead of listing all the constants
explicitly
in the Python code, we can just do:
AddressFamily = IntEnum('AddressFamily',
{name: value
New submission from Christian Heimes:
ABCs are missing one important introspection feature. They have no API to get
registered virtual subclasses. The patch implements a new method
get_virtual_subclasses(recurse=False).
ABC.get_virtual_subclasses() returns the direct virtual subclasses of an
Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
I'm not sure recurse is a relevant distinction here. A subclass of a subclass
is still a subclass. Virtual subclasses should not be different.
At the very least, if recurse is kept, I would expect it to be True by
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Another problem is what happens when an implementation uses non-virtual
inheritance:
issubclass(collections.UserDict, collections.abc.Mapping)
True
collections.UserDict in collections.abc.Mapping.get_virtual_subclasses(True)
False
IOW, I think this
Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
I'm surprised that test_repr is not failed. '%i' % socket.AddressFamily.AF_INET
returns 'AddressFamily.AF_INET' instead of '2' as I expected. Is not this a bug
in IntEnum implementation?
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Ran some benchmark numbers:
$ ./python -m timeit -s from pprint import saferepr; s='é\x' * 1000
saferepr(s)
- before patch: 555 usec per loop
- after patch: 10.9 usec per loop
$ ./python -m timeit -s from pprint import saferepr; s='xxx' * 1000
saferepr(s)
-
Christian Heimes added the comment:
It's called get_VIRTUAL_subclasses() for a reason. You can get the real
subclasses of an ABC with standard tool, e.g. recurse into __subclasses__().
For virtual subclasses you have to deal with the internals like _abc_registry.
I could implement all four
Eli Bendersky added the comment:
Attaching a new patch that uses Serhiy's suggestion to avoid the duplication,
and uses Antoine's suggestion to keep socket.family working even if the family
is an unknown numeric constant.
Note that the latter is challenging to test - I need families the OS
Eli Bendersky added the comment:
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Serhiy Storchaka rep...@bugs.python.orgwrote:
Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
I'm surprised that test_repr is not failed. '%i' %
socket.AddressFamily.AF_INET returns 'AddressFamily.AF_INET' instead of '2'
as I expected.
Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
It's called get_VIRTUAL_subclasses() for a reason. You can get the
real subclasses of an ABC with standard tool, e.g. recurse into
__subclasses__().
What use case are you trying to solve? If I want to find out all classes
which implement an ABC, I don't care
Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
We can just remove if typ is str: case at all. A general case works for
strings.
But for performance (this will slowdown Antoine's tests by 15-20%) we should
left it and may be even extend it to other builtin types:
builtin_type = (str, int, float,
Ethan Furman added the comment:
Issue18738 created.
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New submission from Ethan Furman:
While `.format()` works fine with enum, %-formatting does not:
-- class AF(enum.IntEnum):
... IPv4 = 1
... IPv6 = 2
...
-- AF.IPv4
AF.IPv4: 1
-- '%s' % AF.IPv4
'AF.IPv4'
-- '%r' % AF.IPv4
'AF.IPv4: 1'
-- '%d' % AF.IPv4
'AF.IPv4'
-- '%i' % AF.IPv4
Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
`.format()` is surprised too.
'{:}'.format(AF.IPv4)
'AF.IPv4'
'{:10}'.format(AF.IPv4)
' 1'
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Christian Heimes added the comment:
The manual list of AF_ prefixes looks ugly. We are going to run into the same
problem for every module. How about an additional constructor that takes a
name, dict and string prefix?
class IntEnum(int, Enum):
@classmethod
def from_moduledict(cls,
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Eli Bendersky added the comment:
In Objects/unicodeobject.c when it gets into mainformatlong, an IntEnum is
recognized as an integer (passes PyLong_Check) and goes into formatlong. There,
in the cases of 'd', 'i', 'u' it has:
case 'u':
/* Special-case boolean: we want 0/1 */
Eli Bendersky added the comment:
Christian, this is an interesting idea - but I suggest we review it once we
actually get to convert many modules. For the time being the manual listing
is gone in the recent patch, and for a number of constant families in the same
module (i.e. SOCK_* that will
Eli Bendersky added the comment:
I thing the AddressFamily enum class and the family property should be
documented.
I'm leaving the documentation to the end when we decide on the
implementation strategy. Once that happens I'll post a patch with .rst
changes, etc.
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I thing the AddressFamily enum class and the family property should be
documented.
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Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
Nitpick: If we have grouped this constants in an enum class perhaps it will be
good if they will be enumerated in the order of its values. Or no?
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Ethan Furman added the comment:
'{:}'.format(AF.IPv4) is incorrect, but '{:10}'.format(AF.IPv4) behaves as it
should.
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Ethan Furman added the comment:
Looks like Objects/unicodeobject.c needs the same enhancement that
Modules/_json.c received: convert int/float subclasses into actual ints/floats
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Eli Bendersky added the comment:
Ethan, str.format uses __format__. We don't seem to provide a custom one.
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Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
`.format()` is surprised too.
'{:}'.format(AF.IPv4)
'AF.IPv4'
'{:10}'.format(AF.IPv4)
' 1'
Oh, this looks like a bug in
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Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset 3b82e0d83bf9 by Richard Oudkerk in branch 'default':
Issue #8713: Support alternative start methods in multiprocessing on Unix.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/3b82e0d83bf9
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New submission from Gregory P. Smith:
This is a very odd inconsistency in math.log behavior. That said, it is
probably only a single bit imprecision at the end of the float result. Still,
10 == 10L so I'd expect math.log of both to give the same result.
oss/cpython/2.7:LOAS$ ./python
Python
Christian Heimes added the comment:
Fascinating, how did you find the issue?
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Brett Cannon added the comment:
I think you mean in 3.3 and yes. =) Patch LGTM so I say fix in 3.3 and merge
into default.
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