I realized that I mentioned earlier that I found a solution to my original
question, but that I never posted an example of the solution. So, here is a
simplified example for anyone who is interested.
def fArray(fselect, fparm = 1):
def A1(p = fparm):
if p == 1:
In a message of Tue, 26 May 2015 19:43:31 -0500, richard_riehle writes:
I realized that I mentioned earlier that I found a solution to my original
question, but that I never posted an example of the solution. So, here is a
simplified example for anyone who is interested.
def fArray(fselect,
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 12:28:31 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 26/05/2015 17:37, zipher wrote:
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun unintended)
about self and the ulterior spellings of it, by changing it into a symbol
rather than a name?
Yes, how about you
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The new Windows installer displays itself with an HTML (or perhaps skinned)
interface with hard-coded white background which does not adhere to the desktop
GUI color scheme chosen by the user.
Many times this is only an aesthetic problem, but it may cause the
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I realized that I mentioned earlier that I found a solution to my original
question, but that I never posted an example of the solution. So, here is a
simplified example for anyone who is interested.
def fArray(fselect, fparm = 1):
def
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On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-5, Laura Creighton wrote:
In a message of Tue, 26 May 2015 09:37:29 -0700, zipher writes:
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun unintended)
about self and the ulterior spellings of it, by changing it into a symbol
rather than a
Steve Dower added the comment:
Thanks, good catch.
I'm not entirely sure how we ended up in this state, since the background is
actually the system colour and the text is currently hardcoded, but I'll go
through and make sure that the system colour indexes are used throughout.
FWIW, it's
Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset a77214dbf1f3 by Steve Dower in branch '3.5':
Issue #24293: Fixes installer colors to use system settings throughout.
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/a77214dbf1f3
New changeset 37ed61b1234a by Steve Dower in branch 'default':
Issue #24293: Fixes
On Wednesday 27 May 2015 05:46, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Python's practice works. However, a small problem is presented by nested
classes:
class Connection:
def __init__(self):
class Idle:
def signal_start(self):
# how to refer to
Martin Panter added the comment:
I do not believe the change fixes anything on its own. It essentially just
changed the error message to something even worse, and the added test case
already passes without the change.
I am posting a patch which cleans up the code and related tests. It also
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 11:57:44 AM UTC-5, Laura Creighton wrote:
In a message of Tue, 26 May 2015 09:37:29 -0700, zipher writes:
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun unintended)
about self and the ulterior spellings of it, by changing it into a symbol
rather than a
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:48:25 PM UTC-5, zipher wrote:
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 12:28:31 PM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 26/05/2015 17:37, zipher wrote:
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun unintended)
about self and the ulterior spellings of it, by
zipher dreamingforw...@gmail.com writes:
Arrgh. Sorry, that was meant privately...
I'm glad we saw it publicly, so that we get more of an idea how you
treat people.
That kind of homophobic slur is inappropriate from anyone in this
community. Kindly cut it out altogether.
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On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:52:00 AM UTC-7, Markos wrote:
Hi,
I want to use OpenCV with Python.
I installed version 2.4.9
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencvlibrary/files/opencv-unix/2.4.9/opencv-2.4.9.zip/)
in debian Squeeze running Python 2.6.6. Using the tutorial:
On Wednesday 27 May 2015 02:37, zipher wrote:
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun unintended)
about self and the ulterior spellings of it, by changing it into a symbol
rather than a name?
No.
Something like:
class MyClass(object):
def __init__(@):
On Wednesday 27 May 2015 06:45, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Apart from breaking all the tools that rely on self being spelt self
this looks like an excellent idea.
Tools which rely on self being spelled self are already broken. It's a
convention, nothing more, and there are various good reasons for
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On Wednesday 27 May 2015 14:39, Ben Finney wrote:
zipher dreamingforw...@gmail.com writes:
Arrgh. Sorry, that was meant privately...
I'm glad we saw it publicly, so that we get more of an idea how you
treat people.
That kind of homophobic slur is inappropriate from anyone in this
Martin Panter added the comment:
“u#” should not be deprecated without first deprecating “u”, which is less
useful due to not returning a buffer length.
Also, I have always been mystified about how “s#”, “z#”, “y” and “y#” can
properly to return a pointer into a buffer for arbitrary immutable
davidf...@gmail.com writes:
Has anyone on this list attempted to sandbox Python programs in a
serious fashion? I'd be interested to hear your approach.
There is something like that for C++ and it is quite complicated:
https://github.com/Eelis/geordi
I expect that for Python you'd have to do
Stefan Behnel added the comment:
FTR, lxml's Element class has addnext() and addprevious() methods which are
commonly used for this purpose. But ET can't adopt those due to its different
tree model.
I second Martin's comment that ET.append() is a misleading name. It suggests
adding stuff to
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information about the program's runtime behavior. To do this in a safe
manner, I need to be able
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Test attached. Paste into test/test_trace.py. I tested in 2.7 and 3.4. Feel
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Changeset eeeb666a5365 in issue24017 unintentionally changed formatting of
generated file Include/opcode.h. Now clean building CPython modifies
Include/opcode.h.
One solution is to restore formatting of Include/opcode.h (regenerate it and
commit).
Other
Martin Panter added the comment:
Yes I just figured out that myself. Specifically,
PyBufferProcs.bf_releasebuffer has to be NULL, and the buffer stays alive as
long as the object stays alive.
Also it looks like I was wrong about “u” being useless. I was tricked by a
contradiction in the
Martin Panter added the comment:
Here is a patch.
Looking at the code, s#, z#, y and y# are the conversions that call
convertbuffer(). These require that the object does not have a
PyBufferProcs.bf_releasebuffer() method, which guarantees that the buffer’s
lifetime is the same as the
Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
I don't know if it is worth to backport this feature (dict views were
registered in 1f024a95e9d9), but the patch itself LGTM. I think tests should be
foreported to 3.x (if they don't exist in 3.x).
Are there generic set tests similar to mapping_tests and
On Tuesday 26 May 2015 14:34, Ian Kelly wrote:
Apart from PEP 8, is this documented anywhere in the official
documentation? If so, I have been unable to find it.
https://docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#reserved-
classes-of-identifiers
That's the bunny!
Thanks for that.
Serhiy Storchaka added the comment:
“s#”, “z#”, “y” and “y#” work only with read-only buffers, for which
PyBuffer_Release() is no-op operation. Initially they was designed for work
with old buffer protocol that doesn't support releasing a buffer.
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Issue #24286: Forward port dict view abstract base class tests.
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/ff8b603ee51e
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Raymond Hettinger added the comment:
I don't know if it is worth to backport this feature
I don't think so either. The Iterator registry is a bit of a waste.
Are there generic set tests similar to mapping_tests and seq_tests?
Not that I know of. Also, I don't see the need.
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On 26/05/2015 04:30, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 8:48:11 AM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2015 12:17 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
In other words, dunder methods are reserved for use by the core developers
for the use of the Python interpreter.
Er, that's
In a message of Tue, 26 May 2015 17:10:30 +1000, Steven D'Aprano writes:
My sense is that the only way to safely sandbox Python is to create your own
Python implementation designed with security in mind. You can't get there
starting from CPython. Maybe Jython?
You get there starting with PyPy.
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New changeset 9213c70c67d2 by Raymond Hettinger in branch '2.7':
Issue #24286: Register dict views with the MappingView ABCs.
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/9213c70c67d2
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In a message of Tue, 26 May 2015 09:53:56 +0200, Laura Creighton writes:
In a message of Tue, 26 May 2015 17:10:30 +1000, Steven D'Aprano writes:
My sense is that the only way to safely sandbox Python is to create your own
Python implementation designed with security in mind. You can't get there
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:24:32 PM UTC-4, davi...@gmail.com wrote:
I am writing a web service that accepts Python programs as input, runs the
provided program with some profiling hooks, and returns various information
about the program's runtime behavior. To do this in a safe manner, I
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Eric V. Smith added the comment:
And I just double checked: the entirety of the sentence you quoted is:
The precision is a decimal number indicating how many digits should be
displayed after the decimal point for a floating point value formatted with 'f'
and 'F', or before and after the
Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset 55e6f3f94b99 by Nick Coghlan in branch '3.5':
Issue #24285: fix importing extensions from packages
https://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/55e6f3f94b99
New changeset 32ee7b9d58c9 by Nick Coghlan in branch 'default':
Merge fix for issue #24285 from 3.5
Nick Coghlan added the comment:
I registered the fix for importing extension modules from packages against
issue 24285 in the commit and NEWS file rather than against this original
implementation RFE.
Commit references in http://bugs.python.org/issue24285#msg244098
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On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 4:24:32 AM UTC+2, davi...@gmail.com wrote:
I am writing a web service that accepts Python programs as input, runs the
provided program with some profiling hooks, and returns various information
about the program's runtime behavior. To do this in a safe manner, I
Hey all thanks for the answers,
I am done wiht the same .
Sorry fore delayed replied
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:27 AM, John Gordon gor...@panix.com wrote:
In mailman.164.1430902487.12865.python-l...@python.org pra devOPS
siv.dev...@gmail.com writes:
I wanted to compare two json files
Martin Panter added the comment:
Here is a patch that groups similar methods of the str() class together at
various levels.
I added an alphabetical index of the methods, currently as a big paragraph of
hyperlinks in the existing String Methods section. Then I added the following
seven new
Stefan Krah added the comment:
Prohibiting tabs after spaces is not enough.
No, I really meant that once a new block is started with tabs,
all following nested blocks must use tabs for indentation.
The only place where spaces would be allowed is for aligment
in logical lines that extend over
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James Luscher added the comment:
Eric,
I am not familiar with the 'g' format and did not know it was the default, but
the documentation, read fully, is correct. It just took the response of
Christopher Welborn to wake me up (it was a LONG day and I was struggling
to understand the problem -
Yury Selivanov added the comment:
I was thinking only in the child. The parent should be able to continue to
use the loop as if the fork didn't happen, right?
Yes, everything should be fine.
I'll rephrase my question: do you think there is a way (and need) to at least
throw a warning in
Martin Richard added the comment:
Hi,
My patch was a variation of haypo's patch. The goal was to duplicate the
loop and its internal objects (loop and self pipes) without changing much
to its state from the outside (keeping callbacks and active tasks). I
wanted to be conservative with this
Yury Selivanov added the comment:
That's really the problem of the code that calls fork(), not directly of
the event loop. There are some very solid patterns around that (I've
written several in the distant past, and Unix hasn't changed that much :-).
Alright ;) I'll draft a patch sometime
On Tue, May 26, 2015, at 12:57, Laura Creighton wrote:
Guido did. :)
http://neopythonic.blogspot.se/2008/10/why-explicit-self-has-to-stay.html
It's worth noting that the dynamically modify a class argument (and to
some extent the decorator argument) misses Javascript's solution - _any_
Guido van Rossum added the comment:
I don't understand. If the fork fails nothing changes right? I guess I'm
missing some context or use case.
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Yury Selivanov added the comment:
I don't understand. If the fork fails nothing changes right? I guess I'm
missing some context or use case.
Maybe I'm wrong about this. My line of thoughts is: a failed fork() call is a
bug in the program. Now, the master process will continue operating as
Yury Selivanov added the comment:
I would therefore, in the child after a fork, close the loop without
breaking the selector state (closing without unregister()'ing fds), unset
the default loop so get_event_loop() would create a new loop, then raise
RuntimeError.
I can elaborate on the
Eric Snow added the comment:
Eric I realize that O (1) deletion is hard, and don't see a good way
around it without changing the implementation ... I just think that the
preserving the current C layout may be forcing an even more complicated
solution than neccessary. I am nervous
Markos wrote:
^^
Please append your last name.
I want to use OpenCV with Python.
I installed version 2.4.9
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencvlibrary/files/opencv-unix/2.4.9/opencv-2.4.9.zip/)
in debian Squeeze running Python 2.6.6. Using the tutorial:
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On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 26/05/2015 16:48, alb wrote:
Hi everyone,
I've installed the 'progress' module (ver 1.2) and I have the following
error when used:
File
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun unintended) about
self and the ulterior spellings of it, by changing it into a symbol rather than
a name?
Something like:
class MyClass(object):
def __init__(@):
@.dummy = None
OR, even better, getting *rid of it* in
Guido van Rossum added the comment:
I think only (3) is reasonable -- raise RuntimeError. There are too many use
cases to consider and the behavior of the selectors seems to vary as well. Apps
should ideally not fork with an event loop open; the only reasonable thing to
do after a fork with
Hi everyone,
I've installed the 'progress' module (ver 1.2) and I have the following
error when used:
File
/home/debian/repos/2418_IASI-NG/Documents/Tools/tex_tool/venv/local/lib/python3.2/site-packages/progress/bar.py,
line 48
empty_fill = u'∙'
^
SyntaxError:
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 3:47:20 PM UTC-4, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
zipher dreamingforw...@gmail.com:
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun
unintended) about self and the ulterior spellings of it, by changing
it into a symbol rather than a name?
Something like:
Tal Einat added the comment:
Attached is a revised patch including changed due to the reviews by Berker and
Yuri.
The significant changes from the previous patch are:
1. The rel_tol and abs_tol parameters have been made keyword-only.
2. The tests have been extracted into a separate TestCase
New submission from Jonathan Kamens:
http.BaseHTTPRequestHandler logs request timeouts. In handle_one_request():
except socket.timeout as e:
#a read or a write timed out. Discard this connection
self.log_error(Request timed out: %r, e)
zipher dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote:
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun
unintended) about self and the ulterior spellings of it, by changing
it into a symbol rather than a name?
Something like:
class MyClass(object):
def __init__(@):
@.dummy =
New submission from Jonathan Kamens:
The _write method of wsgiref.handlers.SimpleHandler reads as follows:
def _write(self,data):
self.stdout.write(data)
The problem here is that calling write() on a socket is not actually guaranteed
to write all of the data in the buffer. If the
Guido van Rossum added the comment:
I don't actually know if the 5th option is possible. My strong requirement is
that no matter what the child process does, the parent should still be able to
continue using the loop. IMO it's better to leak a FD in the child than to
close a resource owned by
Ned Deily added the comment:
Without diving into the details of your test program, I get the same results on
a 64-bit Debian Python 2.7.9 as with a 64-bit OS X 2.7.10:
c_uint32 TESTS:
Class Name exponentnumber Signfloat
binary repr
Apart from object composition or mix-in style, I want to illustrate something
regarding the arrow of inheritance.
class super_dict(dict):
def __init__(self, init={}, default_value=0, collision_function=None):
*expands what dict can do*
def get_default(self): #stupid
Ned Batchelder n...@nedbatchelder.com:
I would find it much clearer to not use a nested class at all, and
instead to pass the object into the constructor:
Nested classes are excellent and expressing the state pattern URL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_pattern.
Marko
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ctypes Structures with c_uint32 bitfields have strange behaviour on OS X.
In the attached code when the field number is set, it changes the whole 32
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The behavior is unexpected in:
OS X: Python 2.7.9
The behavior is as
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Perhaps correct __pos__ docstring?
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015-05-26 20:40 GMT+02:00 Yury Selivanov rep...@bugs.python.org:
Yury Selivanov added the comment:
The only solution to safely fork a process is to fix loop.close() to
check if it's called from a forked process and to close the loop in
a safe way (to avoid
zipher dreamingforw...@gmail.com:
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun
unintended) about self and the ulterior spellings of it, by changing
it into a symbol rather than a name?
Something like:
class MyClass(object):
def __init__(@):
@.dummy = None
OR,
Rony Batista added the comment:
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On 26/05/2015 21:26, garabik-news-2005...@kassiopeia.juls.savba.sk wrote:
zipher dreamingforw...@gmail.com wrote:
Would it be prudent to rid the long-standing argument (pun
unintended) about self and the ulterior spellings of it, by changing
it into a symbol rather than a name?
Something like:
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On 05/26/2015 08:57 AM, zipher wrote:
Comprende? I'm not trying to be cryptic here. This is a bit of OOP
theory to be discussed.
No, sorry. Maybe an actual example (with use case) would spur discussion.
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On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/26/2015 08:57 AM, zipher wrote:
Comprende? I'm not trying to be cryptic here. This is a bit of OOP
theory to be discussed.
No, sorry. Maybe an actual example (with use case) would spur discussion.
Better yet,
Mark Lawrence wrote:
def __init__(ስ):
ስ.dummy = None
Apart from breaking all the tools that rely on self being spelt self
this looks like an excellent idea.
too bad for the tools: using the name self is just a convention, not a
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On 2015-05-26 21:45, Mark Lawrence wrote:
class MyClass(object):
def __init__(ስ):
ስ.dummy = None
Apart from breaking all the tools that rely on self being spelt
self this looks like an excellent idea.
Though to be fair, they *are* broken tools if they rely on self
since there's
Tal Einat added the comment:
Significant questions brought up by Berker Peksağ in his review of the latest
patch (thanks for the review!):
1. Should the tolerance parameters be keyword-only? Berker suggests that they
should be. I agree.
2. Should the math.isclose() tests be split into a
In a message of Tue, 26 May 2015 10:24:30 -0300, Markos writes:
Hi,
I want to use OpenCV with Python.
I installed version 2.4.9
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencvlibrary/files/opencv-unix/2.4.9/opencv-2.4.9.zip/)
in debian Squeeze running Python 2.6.6. Using the tutorial:
R. David Murray added the comment:
Just in the what's new porting section, I think. The fact that there should
be very little to no code that relies on this is why I'd like to see it fixed.
The fact that the report was a theoretical one, and not one that broke code, is
why I think we should
R. David Murray added the comment:
copyreg.py is part of the standard library, but you obviously have a file
shadowing it in your site-packages. If this is a result of the pip upgrade,
you should report this to the pip tracker.
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On Mon, May 25, 2015, at 15:21, ravas wrote:
Is this valid? Does it apply to python?
Any other thoughts? :D
The math.hypot function uses the C library's function which should deal
with such concerns internally. There is a fallback version in case the C
library does not have this function, in
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