RE: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread avi.e.gross
Chris, I started with BASIC in high school and kept shifting my focus from one computer language to another long before I even looked at Python. Arguably each language had a REASON for existing so it supported some ideas or paradigms or ways of looking at things. Many at first were rather

RE: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread avi.e.gross
Maybe we should ask WHY the person asking the question about how to learn a computer language called Python is pairing it with the idea of whether to also learn C. What are they preparing for? Most people using Python have absolutely no reason to learn C, or C++ or C# or JAVA or one of a

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Meredith Montgomery
Maruful Islam writes: > I want to start learning python. I have a question about learning python. > > Is learning C essential or not for learning python? Surely not necessary. There's a generous recent thread about books on Python. Have a look at it. --

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread dn
On 08/09/2022 07.15, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 05:09, Grant Edwards wrote: >> >> On 2022-09-07, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 04:54, Grant Edwards >>> wrote: >>> If you're a beginning programmer, then IMO learning C first is probably

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 05:09, Grant Edwards wrote: > > On 2022-09-07, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 04:54, Grant Edwards > > wrote: > > > >> If you're a beginning programmer, then IMO learning C first is > >> probably detrimental. [...] > > > > Not as detrimental as starting

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2022-09-07, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 04:54, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> If you're a beginning programmer, then IMO learning C first is >> probably detrimental. [...] > > Not as detrimental as starting with BASIC, and then moving on to x86 > assembly language, and trying to

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 04:54, Grant Edwards wrote: > > On 2022-09-07, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 01:50, Maruful Islam wrote: > >> > >> I want to start learning python. I have a question about learning python. > >> > >> Is learning C essential or not for learning python? >

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2022-09-07, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 01:50, Maruful Islam wrote: >> >> I want to start learning python. I have a question about learning python. >> >> Is learning C essential or not for learning python? > > Absolutely not essential. In fact, I would strongly recommend

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, 8 Sept 2022 at 01:50, Maruful Islam wrote: > > I want to start learning python. I have a question about learning python. > > Is learning C essential or not for learning python? Absolutely not essential. In fact, I would strongly recommend learning Python before ever picking up C, as it's

Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?

2022-09-07 Thread Tim Daneliuk via Python-list
On 9/5/22 21:22, Meredith Montgomery wrote: I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he also never did. I also tried to

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Thomas Passin
On 9/7/2022 6:28 AM, Maruful Islam wrote: I want to start learning python. I have a question about learning python. Is learning C essential or not for learning python? Not at all. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Lars Liedtke
Hello and welcome, the answer is a definitive "it depends" ;-) Generally you do not need knowledge in C for learning Python. But I'd say that it will not hurt to have some knowledge. Especially some packages use C-code to extend Python. But it seems to me that you are completely starting to

Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?

2022-09-07 Thread TheSeeker
On Monday, September 5, 2022 at 9:23:04 PM UTC-5, Meredith Montgomery wrote: > I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just > searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he > never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he

Re: Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Sandro Volery
Hey Maruf > I want to start learning python. Good for you! Fun times ahead. > Is learning C essential or not for learning python? No, I would not say that learning C is essential for learning Python. However, C can serve as a great set of fundamentials in programming and understanding machines

-ffast-math

2022-09-07 Thread Eli the Bearded
https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1567167774039973888 Brendan Dolan-Gavitt @moyix New blog post is live! In which I download 4 TB of Python packages containing native x86-64 libraries and see how many of them use -ffast-math, potentially altering floating point behavior in any

Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?

2022-09-07 Thread Meredith Montgomery
jkn writes: > On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 4:36:38 PM UTC+1, Meredith Montgomery wrote: >> Paul Rubin writes: >> >> > Meredith Montgomery writes: >> >> So that's my request --- any author you find very good has written a >> >> book on Python? >> > >> > The ones by David Beazley are

Question about learning Python

2022-09-07 Thread Maruful Islam
I want to start learning python. I have a question about learning python. Is learning C essential or not for learning python? -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

[Python-announce] [RELEASE] Python versions 3.10.7, 3.9.14, 3.8.14, 3.7.14 now available with security content

2022-09-07 Thread Łukasz Langa
We have some security content, and plenty of regular bug fixes for 3.10. Let’s dive right in. CVE-2020-10735 Converting between int

[Python-announce] PyCA cryptography 38.0.1 released

2022-09-07 Thread Paul Kehrer
PyCA cryptography 38.0.1 has been released to PyPI. cryptography includes both high level recipes and low level interfaces to common cryptographic algorithms such as symmetric ciphers, asymmetric algorithms, message digests, X509, key derivation functions, and much more. We support Python 3.6+,

[RELEASE] Python versions 3.10.7, 3.9.14, 3.8.14, 3.7.14 now available with security content

2022-09-07 Thread Łukasz Langa
We have some security content, and plenty of regular bug fixes for 3.10. Let’s dive right in. CVE-2020-10735 Converting between int

[Python-announce] makepackage: A lightweight tool for creating a Python package

2022-09-07 Thread Marcin Kozak
Packaging code is a frequent approach in both open-source and business Python development. You can use various tools, such as Cookiecutter, or you can package your package manually. Now, you also have a much simpler solution, a makepackape Python package, with which it takes just one simple shell