Re: Making every no-arg method a property?

visit to the USSR, you are welcome to | `\ it.” —hotel room, Moscow | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: TypeError: 'bytes' object is not callable error while trying to converting to bytes.

Shirky, 2012 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: SQLAlchemy tutorial

) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Correct type for a simple “bag of attributes” namespace object (was: 3 Suggestions to Make Python Easier For Children)

) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Dict when defining not returning multi value key error

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Re: one to many (passing variables)

. -- \ “Religious faith is the one species of human ignorance that | `\ will not admit of even the *possibility* of correction.” —Sam | _o__) Harris, _The End of Faith_, 2004 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about Pass-by-object-reference?

Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info writes: On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:59:45 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: fl rxjw...@gmail.com writes: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:27:15 PM UTC-4, Terry Reedy wrote: Nothing is being 'passed'. Thanks, but I don't understand your point yet. Could you give me

Re: Is it possible to install Python on a network?

that machine ‘foo’ knows to interact with machine ‘bar’? -- \ “The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But | `\ the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound | _o__) truth.” —Niels Bohr | Ben Finney -- https

Re: Is it possible to install Python on a network?

Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: What do you imaging a user doing, exactly, on machine ‘foo’ to make a program execute on machine ‘bar’? At what step – exactly how – does the communication between

Re: Question about Pass-by-object-reference?

Dictionary_, 1906 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A Pythonista Meets JavaScript™

Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au writes: Monte Milanuk memila...@invalid.com writes: I know literally almost nothing about JS. At the Melbourne Python Users's Group this year, I gave a presentation URL:http://vimeo.com/album/2855296/video/93691338 on my initial learnings

Re: Is it possible to install Python on a network?

) —Ernestine Rose | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

A Pythonista Meets JavaScript™ (was: Network/multi-user program)

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Re: Two more newbie questions

. -- \ “I knew things were changing when my Fraternity Brothers threw | `\ a guy out of the house for mocking me because I'm gay.” | _o__) —postsecret.com, 2010-01-19 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Two more newbie questions

Shieldfire shieldf...@gmail.com writes: On fre, 2014-07-18 at 18:23 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: So, if by “slap a GUI onto” you mean something that is a no-frills plain-HTML form, with essentially no assistance for the user and no error handling, this will be a lot simpler to implement than

Re: Node Neighbours

the propaganda.” —George W. Bush, 2005-05 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: usenet reader software

a major reason for continuing to discuss on Usenet. -- \ “Of all classes the rich are the most noticed and the least | `\ studied.” —John Kenneth Galbraith, _The Age of Uncertainty_, | _o__) 1977 | Ben Finney -- https

Interleaved posting style for text discussion forums (was: Python 3 is killing Python)

. -- \ “I used to be an airline pilot. I got fired because I kept | `\ locking the keys in the plane. They caught me on an 80 foot | _o__)stepladder with a coathanger.” —Steven Wright | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

) Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: initializing parameters class in Python only once?

menace to progress is not ignorance but the | `\ illusion of knowledge.” —Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, | _o__)1914–2004 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Newbie: unexpected indenting error

can expect others to be able to run it too. -- \ “If I haven't seen as far as others, it is because giants were | `\ standing on my shoulders.” —Hal Abelson | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https

Re: Standard library Help

between two points is under | `\ construction.” —Noelie Alito | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: NaN comparisons - Call For Anecdotes

)Russell, _Power: A New Social Analysis_, 1938 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Naming conventions for functions and methods

as the objects acted upon. -- \ “Nothing worth saying is inoffensive to everyone. Nothing worth | `\saying will fail to make you enemies. And nothing worth saying | _o__)will not produce a confrontation.” —Johann Hari, 2011 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: PEP8 and 4 spaces

Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info writes: On Tue, 08 Jul 2014 11:22:25 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: A group of (a particular amount of) U+0020 characters is visually indistinguishable from a U+0009 character, when the default semantics are applied to each. Hmmm. I'm not sure

Re: PEP8 and 4 spaces

Dan Sommers d...@tombstonezero.net writes: On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:00:59 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: […] a poor design decision (a line beginning with U+0020 SPACE is semantically different from a line beginning with U+0009 CHARACTER TABULATION) can be irrevocable – the syntax can't

Re: How do you use `help` when write your code

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Re: PEP8 and 4 spaces

them at all. Hooray! Welcome to the light :-) -- \ “The best ad-libs are rehearsed.” —Graham Kennedy | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https

Programmer's text editor (was: Saving)

is an essential investment in programming. Good hunting! -- \ “We have clumsy, sputtering, inefficient brains…. It is a | `\ *struggle* to be rational and objective, and failures are not | _o__) evidence for an alternative reality.” —Paul Z. Myers, 2010-10-14 | Ben Finney -- https

Re: What's the right way to abandon an open source package?

Wagner, via Lily Tomlin | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Discussion problems of monoculture (was: What's the right way to abandon an open source package?)

of foodstuffs and human beings. Crazy people can't | _o__) tell the difference.” —Paul Z. Myers, 2010-04-18 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python 3.44 float addition bug?

. This is not mythical. -- \ “Guaranteed to work throughout its useful life.” —packaging for | `\ clockwork toy, Hong Kong | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: how to check if a value is a floating point or not

. -- \ “It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to | `\persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” —Carl | _o__)Sagan | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Micro Python -- a lean and efficient implementation of Python 3

. -- \ “Too many pieces of music finish too long after the end.” —Igor | `\ Stravinskey | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: First time I looked at Python was(...)

| _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Decorating one method of a class C with another method of class C?

for the rest of his life.” | _o__) —John A. Hrastar | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Decorating one method of a class C with another method of class C?

to complain at the office between the | `\ hours of 9 and 11 a.m. daily.” —hotel, Athens | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Please turn off “digest mode” to participate (was: Python-list Digest, Vol 129, Issue 4)

without it.” | _o__)—John Kenneth Galbraith, _The New Industrial State_, 1967 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Choosing good names for things is difficult (was: Strange Behavior)

-invalidation -- \ “In the long run, the utility of all non-Free software | `\ approaches zero. All non-Free software is a dead end.” —Mark | _o__)Pilgrim, 2006 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: can someone explain the concept of strings (or whatever) being immutable

, because I bet there are some | _o__) Chihuahuas with some good ideas.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: can someone explain the concept of strings (or whatever) being immutable

Dawkins, 2006-10-13 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: IDE for python

) living.” —ringsnake.livejournal.com, 2007-11-12 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: IDE for python

need. -- \“A free press is one where it's okay to state the conclusion | `\ you're led to by the evidence.” —Bill Moyers | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 3 is killing Python

) —Ernestine Rose | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: passing Python assignment value to shell

thanks in advance I hope that helps. -- \ “Homer, where are your clothes?” “Uh... dunno.” “You mean Mom | `\dresses you every day?!” “I guess; or one of her friends.” | _o__)—Lisa Homer, _The Simpsons_ | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org

Re: Python alternative to Google Groups

.” —Steven Weinberg | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Programmer's text editor, for Python and everything else (was: IDE for python)

)its speaker a raving lunatic.” —Dresden James | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Build tools, and Python 3 dependencies (was: How keep Python 3 moving forward)

is incompatible | _o__) with bullshit.” —Paul Z. Myers, 2010-03-14 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Make Python Compilable, convert to Python source to Go

only one issue at a time.” —Brian W. | `\Kernighan and Dennis M. Ritchie, _The C programming language_, | _o__) 1988 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: os.stat and time zones

specific filesystem to those timestamps. -- \ Moriarty: “Forty thousand million billion dollars? That money | `\must be worth a fortune!” —The Goon Show, _The Sale of | _o__) Manhattan_ | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org

Python 3 support for Fabric (was: How keep Python 3 moving forward)

.” —Benno Rice, 2011 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: 转发: hi，How much time can transition to python3

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Re: using a new computer and bringing needed libraries to it

.” —Homer, _The Simpsons_ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Everything you did not want to know about Unicode in Python 3

| `\ twice as expensive roughly every two years.” —anonymous | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Pip requirements: Machine-readable configuration versus human-audience documentation (was: using a new computer and bringing needed libraries to it)

recommending the more general name, but I'd like that to change. -- \ “I believe our future depends powerfully on how well we | `\ understand this cosmos, in which we float like a mote of dust | _o__) in the morning sky.” —Carl Sagan, _Cosmos_, 1980 | Ben Finney

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

.” | `\—anonymous | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

not constitute the source for the program. -- \ “Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex… | `\It takes a touch of genius – and a lot of courage – to move in | _o__)the opposite direction.” —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

Johannes Bauer dfnsonfsdu...@gmx.de writes: On 15.05.2014 04:43, Ben Finney wrote: Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com writes: Until then may we relegate '79' to quaint historical curiosities Not until the general capacity of human cognition advances to make longer lines easier

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

your own cognitive limits and read what people write for comprehension. -- \ “As soon as we abandon our own reason, and are content to rely | `\ upon authority, there is no end to our troubles.” —Bertrand | _o__)Russell, _Unpopular Essays_, 1950 | Ben

Re: SQLAlchemy - web framework ?

the Eye of Reason.” | `\—Benjamin Franklin | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: problems decoding json objects

through a JSON parser for correctness. -- \ “Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without | `\ having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it | _o__) too?” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org

Re: problems decoding json objects

Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au writes: Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com writes: How do I solve this problem ?! Fix the document. Where did it come from? If you're the one typing raw JSON into your program: Fix that. Don't type raw JSON. JSON is an object serialisation format; it's

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

code as though humans are the ones who will be reading it. -- \“Stop — Drive sideways.” —detour sign, Kyushu, Japan | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Everything you did not want to know about Unicode in Python 3

of the world exists.) -- \ “Reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature | `\ cannot be fooled.” —Richard P. Feynman, _Rogers' Commission | _o__) Report into the Challenger Crash_, 1986-06 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

back | _o__)and the guy was reading a magazine.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

programmer can easily create two new jobs a year. | `\ Hiring more bad programmers will just increase our perceived | _o__) need for them.” —David Lorge Parnas, 1999-03 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP 8 : Maximum line Length :

starve to death while praying for a fish.” | _o__) —Anonymous | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

[OT] Copyright statements and why they can be useful (was: Everything you did not want to know about Unicode in Python 3)

of publication. URL:http://questioncopyright.org/ -- \“[T]he great menace to progress is not ignorance but the | `\ illusion of knowledge.” —Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, | _o__)1914–2004 | Ben Finney -- https

Re: New to Python. For in loops curiosity

for security.” —Brian | `\ Valentine, senior vice-president of Microsoft Windows | _o__)development, 2002 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: SQLAlchemy - web framework ?

) history […].” —Sam Harris, _The End of Faith_, 2004 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Values and objects

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Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

refuse to play. -- \ “Of all classes the rich are the most noticed and the least | `\ studied.” —John Kenneth Galbraith, _The Age of Uncertainty_, | _o__) 1977 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

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Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

advanced, when it has advanced, not because it | `\ has been sober, responsible, and cautious, but because it has | _o__)been playful, rebellious, and immature.” —Tom Robbins | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net writes: Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au: Who does that? I haven't seen anyone raising this topic with a beginner in a hostile manner (“flogging”? why the hyperbole?), and it's certainly not characteristic of how the topic is raised here. Flogging

Re: The � debate

Philips | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python-daemon interaction with multiprocessing (secure-smtpd)

, | `\Brain, but if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans feel | _o__)left out?” —_Pinky and The Brain_ | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

necessarily use negative language to achieve that. -- \ “Religious faith is the one species of human ignorance that | `\ will not admit of even the *possibility* of correction.” —Sam | _o__) Harris, _The End of Faith_, 2004 | Ben Finney -- https

Re: The “does Python have variables?” debate

Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net writes: Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au: That's why I always try to say “Python doesn't have variables the way you might know from many other languages”, Please elaborate. To me, Python variables are like variables in all programming languages I know

The “does Python have variables?” debate (was: Pass variable by reference)

? Exactly; JavaScript *does* have variables, in the ways Python does not. -- \“If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you | `\ have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither | _o__) on your side, pound the table.” —anonymous | Ben

Re: [OT] Silde rules

clients. -- \“I was once walking through the forest alone and a tree fell | `\ right in front of me, and I didn't hear it.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Unicode 7

), for instance. -- \ “I got some new underwear the other day. Well, new to me.” —Emo | `\ Philips | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Unicode 7

| _o__) telling them to sit down and shut up.” —Phyllis Diller | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Unicode 7

supposed to “know” this, magically?” —Mitya Sirenef, | _o__) comp.lang.python, 2012-12-27 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: freeze.py

for the installation of that tool? What exact command do you issue in order to run it? -- \“I fly Air Bizarre. You buy a combination one-way round-trip | `\ticket. Leave any Monday, and they bring you back the previous | _o__) Friday. That way you still have the weekend.” —Steven Wright | Ben

Re: Significant digits in a float?

rate? -- \ “If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not | `\aiming high enough.” —Alan Kay | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Significant digits in a float?

Ben Finney b...@benfinney.id.au writes: The problem is you won't know *which* 90% is accurate, and which 10% is inaccurate. This is very different from the glass, where it's evident which part is good. Hmm. Re-reading the suggestion, I see that it is fairly predictable which estimates

Re: pyodbc connect string

yours. It simply supports | _o__) the strong probability that yours is a fake.” —Henry L. Mencken | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Significant digits in a float?

never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do | `\it from religious conviction.” —Blaise Pascal (1623–1662), | _o__) Pensées, #894. | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Play back and record sound *at the same time* for n seconds

. District Court Judge Dalzell | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Unicode in Python

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Re: soap library for python-3.x

was the most wonderful organ in | `\ my body. Then I realized who was telling me this.” —Emo Philips | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: object().__dict__

. -- \ “Every man would like to be God, if it were possible; some few | `\ find it difficult to admit the impossibility.” —Bertrand | _o__)Russell, _Power: A New Social Analysis_, 1938 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Unicode in Python

!”. Now they have some number of problems but they're not | _o__) sure whether it's a string or an integer.” —Benno Rice, 2011 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Why Python 3?

? That money | `\must be worth a fortune!” —The Goon Show, _The Sale of | _o__) Manhattan_ | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Why Python 3?

in two years' time.” —Bill | `\ Gates, 2004-01-24 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8

there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. | `\ There's a knob called ‘brightness’ but it doesn't work.” | _o__) —Eugene P. Gallagher | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Martijn Faassen: The Call of Python 2.8

in order to figure out which rules | _o__) apply.” —Eben Moglen, _Anarchism Triumphant_, 1999 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Learner looking for assistance

worth saying is inoffensive to everyone. Nothing worth | `\saying will fail to make you enemies. And nothing worth saying | _o__)will not produce a confrontation.” —Johann Hari, 2011 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Job Opportunity - Senior Python Developer

, but that doesn't make this forum any more appropriate.) -- \ “I am too firm in my consciousness of the marvelous to be ever | `\ fascinated by the mere supernatural …” —Joseph Conrad, _The | _o__) Shadow-Line_ | Ben Finney -- https

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