Manuel 1.6.0 released - now compatible with Python 3

://pypi.python.org/pypi/manuel. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations/

Re: eggs considered harmful

On Jun 21, 8:10 am, Harry George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip description of unacceptable behaviors] These are unacceptable behaviors. I am therefore dropping ZODB3 If you have bugs to report against ZODB, I sugest posting to zodb-dev (http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zodb-dev). -- Benji

Re: a good programming text editor (not IDE)

BartlebyScrivener wrote: Emacs must be dying if this thread could get all the way to 20 with nobody arguing with the vi folks. heh :) Will the Windows vim and gvim users vouch for its stability on Windows? It's very stable on Windows. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: groupby is brilliant!

Frank Millman wrote: reader = csv.reader(open('trans.csv', 'rb')) rows = [] for row in reader: rows.append(row) Why do you create a list of rows instead of just iterating over the reader directly? -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Process forking on Windows - or what is MQSeries

(an on-disk directory perhaps) and have the triggered program return after doing that. Then you can have a separate, long-running program process the messages. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Progamming python without a keyboard

and complete control of the environment on Linux. I'm interested in what you mean here. My interpretation is that you want to/are building a system to interact with a Linux desktop from a Windows box leveraging the voice recognition built into Windows. Is this right? -- Benji York -- http

Re: Active Directory Authentication

not valid. return False -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: unittest.main-workalike that runs doctests too?

Subversion) at svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.testing/trunk and browse the code (including docs) at http://svn.zope.org/zope.testing/trunk/. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: unittest.main-workalike that runs doctests too?

John J Lee wrote: Is there a page that describes the Zope SVN layout? Not that I know of. It basically goes like this: if it's not a top-level project (like zope.testing), it's either in Zope (for Zope 2 stuff) or Zope3 (for Zope 3 stuff). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: Python SSL

://wiki.osafoundation.org/bin/view/Projects/MeTooCrypto -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Zope 3

-- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Missing interfaces in Python...

also quite different from what he's probably expecting. On the up side, it's probably much better than what he's expecting too. :) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Very stupid question.

by opening a file (on disk), but it doesn't make much sense to have to open a file just to see how big it is. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: a hobbyist's dilemma

John Salerno wrote: Now that I've learned much of Python, I'm sort of stuck with what to do with it. http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ You can (thank|curse) me later. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Difference between 'is' and '=='

mwql wrote: It's really strange, if a = 1 b = 1 a is b == True the same thing applies for strings Not quite: 'abc' is 'abc' True 'abc' is 'ab' + 'c' False -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: doctest, unittest, or if __name__='__main__'

(and they've paid off in a big way too). Obviously we test lots of web apps and had to come up with something to allow us to do decent doctests of them. Unsurprisingly it's documented with a doctest: http://svn.zope.org/*checkout*/Zope3/trunk/src/zope/testbrowser/README.txt -- Benji York -- http

Re: Have you ever considered of mousing ambidextrously?

to control both with one keyboard and mouse. Unfortunately neither x2vnc or Synergy really fulfill my needs though, so I'm working on a replacement. Actually I'm writing this email instead of working on it, back to the (Vim) mines. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Localized month names?

Jarek Zgoda wrote: How do I get a list of localized month names for current locale? The first thing that came to my mind was an ugly hack: import locale locale.nl_langinfo(locale.MON_1) 'January' -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: why no block comments in Python?

or well documented not-meant-for-documentation unit/functional/integration tests is terrific. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: why don't many test frameworks support file-output?

kanchy kang wrote: i browsed the following frameworks briefly: nose, OOBTest, testosterone, py.test, Sancho ... and found out they do support imediate screen-output only. You can redirect stdout to a file. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: time.sleep(1) sometimes runs for 200 seconds under windows

time may be longer than requested by an arbitrary amount because of the scheduling of other activity in the system. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: time.sleep(1) sometimes runs for 200 seconds under windows

the same thing on several diverse machines elsewhere in this thread), then yes, I'd agree that /something/ strange is going on. Unfortunately this sounds like one of those things that will require laying on of hands to diagnose. Good luck! Let us know how it turns out, I'm curious. :) -- Benji York

Re: editor for Python on Linux

those and *so* much more. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: editor for Python on Linux

seriousness has been maintained. To the OP: a serious editor is a basic necessity of coding, so pick Emacs, Vim, or something equivalent. Just make sure it's customizable and you enjoy customizing it because you'll want to. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: define loop statement?

get_repeat_counter(limit) while repeat(10): print 'OK' Without more work it doesn't allow nested loops though. And for the record, if you're worrying about Python's counted loop construct you need better things to worry about. insert-smilies-as-appropriate -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org

Re: zope 3.2 and imprt errors

(most recent call last): File stdin, line 1, in ? AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'interfaces' Try this instead: from zope.app.container import interfaces interfaces.IContained InterfaceClass zope.app.container.interfaces.IContained -- Benji York -- http

Re: What editor shall I use?

-specific, but I highly recommend Steve Oualline's Vim book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0735710015). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How do I dynamically create functions without lambda?

me, is no different in programming. It's apparently no different anywhere: http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware.html -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: proposal: another file iterator

in mind, so that this would work: for chunk in iter('', f.read, blocksize): ... But it's a bit late now. How about this instead (will work in 2.5): for chunk in iter(partial(f.read, blocksize), ''): ... -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG Meeting: January 11, 7:30-9:00 PM

Please join us January 11, 7:30-9:00 PM, for the seventh meeting of the Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group (ZPUG). Squid and Zope! Python and Zope roundtable! Free food! * Andrew Sawyers will discuss using the open source cache server Squid with Zope, including a discussion of the

Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG Meeting: January 11, 7:30-9:00 PM

Please join us January 11, 7:30-9:00 PM, for the seventh meeting of the Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group (ZPUG). Squid and Zope! Python and Zope roundtable! Free food! * Andrew Sawyers will discuss using the open source cache server Squid with Zope, including a discussion of the

Re: Which Python web framework is most like Ruby on Rails?

Russell E. Owen wrote: I disagree. Once you've picked a database (not trivial in itself, of course), you typically only have a few options for talking to in in Python. Perhaps it's off-topic for this thread, but I think picking a database is the first mistake most people make. It's a form

Re: Still Loving Python

Ivan Voras wrote: Are there any easy GUI builders for any Python-supported toolkits? wxDesigner is a really good commercial product, it's pretty inexpensive, too. http://www.roebling.de/ -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Proposal: Inline Import

Shane Hathaway wrote: Benji York wrote: OK, good. You won't have to worry about that. :) You didn't give a reason for disliking it. Oh, I don't particularly dislike it. I hadn't come up with a reason to like or dislike it, other than a predilection for the status quo. -- Benji York

Re: ANN: Dao Language v.0.9.6-beta is release!

and it helps quite a bit. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Proposal: Inline Import

Shane Hathaway wrote: I'd like a way to import modules at the point where I need the functionality, rather than remember to import ahead of time. This might eliminate a step in my coding process. Currently, my process is I change code and later scan my changes to make matching changes to

Re: Proposal: Inline Import

Shane Hathaway wrote: Benji York wrote: [a quicker, but still manual, way to handle adding new imports] That's something the computer should do for me. It's busywork. Eclipse practically eliminates this busywork when I'm writing Java code: if I autocomplete a name, it also quietly adds

Re: ANN: Dao Language v.0.9.6-beta is release!

cause problems, too. Only if you don't know how decent editors behave. :) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: ANN: Dao Language v.0.9.6-beta is release!

that I don't care. I'm not as diplomatic about tabs. :) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Default method arguments

I'll add my 2 cents to the mix: default = object() class A(object): def __init__(self, n): self.data = n def f(self, x=default): if x is default: x = self.data print x -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: which feature of python do you like most?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea why people are so facinating with python. So I post this question: What do you use in your dairy work with python? I can't imagine why you're confused. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: debugger

mclaugb wrote: Is there a decent debugger to use with IDL? I have briefly about PDB but this looks pretty limited in features and difficult to use. You might like Winpdb: http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/ -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: debugger

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benji York wrote: You might like Winpdb: http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/ Not Found The requested URL /pythondebugger/-- was not found on this server. Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) Server at www.digitalpeers.com Port 80 shrug Works for me. -- Benji York

Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG Meeting: November 9, 7:30-9:00 PM

Please join us November 9, 7:30-9:00 PM, for the sixth meeting of the Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group (ZPUG). Squid and Zope! Using Zope for newspaper publishing! The dangers of object oriented inheritance! Free food! * Andrew Sawyers will discuss using the open source cache

Re: String Identity Test

a coincidence of the implementation. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Problems with properties

self._command -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Function to execute only once

PyPK wrote: now I want execute() function to get executed only once. That is the first time it is accessed. How about just calculating the value at import time? -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: read serial data from a barcode reader/scanner using python

Google (then here if answers are not forthcoming). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Matching zero only once using RE

in pagetext: print 'yes' else: print 'no' -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: So far

you can download (the demo can't save your designs, but can generate code so you can try it out). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: New project coming up...stay with Python, or go with a dot net language??? Your thoughts please!

Luis M. Gonzalez wrote: If not Ironpython, Boo (which could be considered almost an static version of Python for .NET) would be a great choice. You could also use Python for .Net (http://www.zope.org/Members/Brian/PythonNet). -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: Automating, Building, Testing and Deploying to Production Server

back to the previous build). We don't do it this way, but because the buildout for a particular project is itself versioned, you could just svn up to the previous version and rebuild it and you'd be back to where you started. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Finding the Process Path

Peck, Jon wrote: I have Python code running in an application, and I would like to find the full path of the process executable where it is running. Like this? import sys sys.executable '/usr/bin/python' -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: list.join()... re.join()...? Do they exist? (newbie questions...)

having to go about it in such a laborious fashion Indeed. :) cat_list = '|'.join(List) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How is wxWindows related to Python?

of Microsoft) is for C++. You're looking for wxPython: http://wxpython.org/ -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: number of python users

by default. You can always provide your own if you wish. Zope 3 is much more like a normal Python library in this respect. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python 2.4 under WinXP, free VC71 toolkit and VC6 libraries

Berthold Höllmann wrote: I'm sure ctypes doesnot work on Linux and Solaris, but my code has to. I've used ctypes to great effect on Linux. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [RFC] Parametric Polymorphism

implementation of methods. Take a look at PJE's generic function implementation. PyCon slides here: http://www.python.org/pycon/2005/papers/53/PyCon05Talk.html. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Accessing class variable at class creation time

Jan-Ole Esleben wrote: That doesn't really give him a way of using the class variable inside a method. Oh! I must have misunderstood the question. I'd like to know more about why the OP wants to do this; a small example would help narrow down the possibilities. -- Benji York -- http

Re: Accessing class variable at class creation time

... print X ... 2 -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Linux/Python - SQL*Server Connexion chain

version at http://benjiyork.com/software.html. I'm not using it any more, but have a more recent version that I really should package up. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: testing a website from python

. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: distutils and decorators

to 2.3 compatible syntax instead. Something like: def foo(): pass foo = cherrypy.expose(1)(foo) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Perl's documentation come of age

people might not find it that useful, but the who uses that!? response is hard for me to understand. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: distutils and decorators

direct 2' bux = expose(1)(bar) Here's it's output (2.4.1 on Linux): % python /tmp/1.py before decorator (no args) direct before decorator (with args) decorator before direct 1 direct before direct 2 decorator What am I missing? -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: send mail through webmail

(http://svn.zope.org/Zope3/branches/testbrowser-integration/src/zope/testbrowser/ and http://benjiyork.com/zope.testbrowser-0.1.tgz). See the README.txt for general info and over_the_wire.txt for how to use it to access web sites. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: send mail through webmail

Benji York wrote: You can also try the almost-publicly-available package zope.testbrowser (http://svn.zope.org/Zope3/branches/testbrowser-integration/src/zope/testbrowser/ and http://benjiyork.com/zope.testbrowser-0.1.tgz). I forgot to mention that it requires the ZopeInterface package

Re: testing a website from python

Achim Domma (SyynX Solutions GmbH) wrote: Benji York wrote: If there is any interest I'll try to package up a stand-alone version in the next few days. I think that would be a very usefull tool. Currently I'm using httpunit with Jython but a python only tool would be much nicer. I put

Re: Calling python scripts from C# programs

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to call (execute) some python scripts from my C# program. See http://www.zope.org/Members/Brian/PythonNet. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Brute force sudoku cracker

Sybren Stuvel wrote: def all(seq, pred=bool): What's this? What is bool? See http://docs.python.org/lib/built-in-funcs.html#l2h-10 -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

[Fwd: Sept 14 Fredericksburg, VA ZPUG: Packaging with zpkg, review of Python Cookbook 2nd ed]

Please join us September 14, 7:30-9:00 PM, for the fourth meeting of the Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group (ZPUG). This meeting has three features of note. - Fred Drake, Zope Corp Senior Software Engineer, Python core developer, and Python documentation maintainer and editor will

Re: python script under windows

Jan Gregor wrote: I run python script on another computer and want to survive that script after my logout. Start at http://www.python.org/windows/win32/#NTServices. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Grouping lists

-functions.html -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Construct raw strings?

Peter Hansen wrote: Benji York wrote: It's not join that's getting you, it's the non-raw string representation in path_to_scan. Use either 'd:\test_images' or 'd:\\test_images' instead. Benji, you're confusing things: you probably meant r'd:\test_images' in the above Doh! I did indeed

Re: job scheduling framework?

to extend it in the direction you're talking about. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Construct raw strings?

the non-raw string representation in path_to_scan. Use either 'd:\test_images' or 'd:\\test_images' instead. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Getting the bytes or percent uploaded/downloaded through FTP?

) sys.stderr.write('\n') -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: learning python

be enough. yeah, see i didnt even think of that. thanks man That was either a very gracious way to take a public correction, or an expertly executed bit of sarcasm, either way, placid, I applaud you. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python / web

to own the resulting code, such that reusing it in another framework would be a PITA. This is much less the case for Zope 3, the separation between domain and presentation code is much easier to maintain. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: defining classes

instance has no attribute 'j' Works for me (Python 2.4). class foo2: ... def __init__(self): ... self.j = 5 ... h = foo2() h.j 5 Perhaps there is some strange state in your interpreter. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to join two Dictionary together?

See http://docs.python.org/lib/typesmapping.html for a description of the update method. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

referring to Zope 2 or 3 here? I ask because I consider the Zope 3 code (at least the parts written in the last couple years) to be some of the best (externally) documented code I've worked with. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: variable hell

Peter Maas wrote: suffix = 'var' vars()['a%s' % suffix] = 45 avar 45 Quoting from http://docs.python.org/lib/built-in-funcs.html#l2h-76 about the vars built in: The returned dictionary should not be modified: the effects on the corresponding symbol table are undefined. -- Benji York

Re: Logging all activity on a tty/pty?

Dan Stromberg wrote: Is there a way, using python, to (voluntarily) log all activity in a given shell, in a way that should work on pretty much all *ix's with a port of python? If it's just a simple transcript you're wanting see man script. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: Unix diff command under Window.

TonyHa wrote: Does any one have using Python to write a Unix diff command for Window? No, but you can get the *actual* diff command for Windows: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Sanitizing untrusted code for eval()

even need to allow multiplication. If you only allowed dictionaries with string keys and a restricted set of types as values, you'd be pretty close. But once you're at that point you might as well use your own parser and not use eval at all. shrug -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org

Re: How to get a unique id for bound methods?

to solve. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: creating/modifying sparse files on linux

strings and is a noticeable O(n**2) operation. Not exactly. CPython 2.4 added an optimization of += for strings. The for loop above takes about 1 second do execute on my machine. You are correct in that it will take *much* longer on 2.3. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: Testing for presence of arguments

None. def my_func(a, b, c=None): if c is None: do something If None is a valid value, make one that isn't: unspecified = object() def my_func(a, b, c=unspecified): if c is unspecified: do something -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: [Python-Dev] implementation of copy standard lib

Simon Brunning wrote: I think that copy is very rarely used. I don't think I've ever imported it. Or is it just me? I rarely use copy, and almost always regret it when I do. wink -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Point and click GUI builder for Python

Madhusudan Singh wrote: Is there such a thing for python ? Like Qt Designer for instance ? I've had great success with wxDesigner (http://www.roebling.de/). It is a commercial product ($129 for a single license), but it does an exceptional job. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org

Re: The ONLY thing that prevents me from using Python

with Python installed and supported. See http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonHosting and remember that Google is your friend. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: trying to parse non valid html documents with HTMLParser

an example so he can fix it. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Parallel port programming on windows XP/2000?

have to understand how the parallel port works, but I'll assume you already do or can use the web to figure it out. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: In-place decorate-sort-undecorate - best implementation?

Tom Anderson wrote: I don't have python 2.4; anyone care to check how they compare there? I used the following timer function: I think on 2.4 the new key option to list.sort would be the fastest way to accomplish what you want. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: a pickle's pickle

= {} self.wordInfo = {} self.contextInfo = {} -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Fredericksburg, VA Zope and Python User Group

of Engineering, will discuss his .Net platform and give a brief .Net overview. - Benji York, Zope Corp Senior Software Engineer, will discuss current functional testing practices on Zope 3, including using Selenium on Zope 3, using demo storage for functional testing, and using his own compelling new

Re: Python IDE's

.) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: trying to parse non valid html documents with HTMLParser

to get some data out of it. Right now, you don't really care what HTML is supposed to look like. Neither does this parser. -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Dabo in 30 seconds?

Cliff Wells wrote: As I mentioned earlier, programming is half brains and half tenacity. +1 QOTY (quote of the year) -- Benji York -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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