tommy yama :
> As many know, python 2 was retired.
> This means imminent migration to 3 will be a must ?
Python 2 will have a lively retirement. It won't be dead before RHEL 7
is dead. According to
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata
the support dates for RHEL 7 are:
r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram):
> if type( object ) is list:
I would recommend isinstance() because:
>>> isinstance(True, int)
True
>>> type(True) is int
False
Marko
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Greg Ewing :
> You can pass a zip file with a .pyz extension to the python
> interpreter and it will look for a __main__.py file and run
> it.
This discussion has been interesting, and I've now learned about zipapp.
This is really nice and will likely be a favorite distribution format
for Python
Dennis Lee Bieber :
> (though as I don't really understand the use of this function, that
> may just mean that all the events will be in the one return structure,
> and not that there is only one event).
I use epoll almost every day. You've done a good job explaining it.
> Given that your
Rhodri James :
> On 11/11/2019 19:05, Bill Deegan wrote:
>> You could use SCons (native python... )
>
> I could. But I'd have to learn how to first, and particularly for
> complex cross-platform working that involves learning a lot of stuff I
> already know how to do in Make. The time investment
Skip Montanaro :
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 1:24 PM Vitaly Potyarkin wrote:
>>
>> What do you think of using Makefiles for automating common chores in
>> Python projects? Like linting, type checking and testing?
>
> Kinda unsure why this needs to be asked (says the guy who's used Make
> longer
Dan Stromberg :
> Can anyone please recommend an opensource "Artifact Repository" suitable
> for use with CPython, including dozens of wheels, tar.gz's and .py's?
>
> By an Artifact Repository, I mean something that can version largish
> binaries that are mostly produced by a build process.
>
> It
Jonathan Moules :
> Lets say I want to know if the value of `x` is bool(True).
> My preferred way to do it is:
>
> if x is True:
> [...]
>
> But this appears to be explicitly called out as being "Worse" in PEP8:
>
> [...]
>
> Why?
It has primarily to do with the naturalness of expression. In
Ethan Furman :
> On 07/27/2019 02:10 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk
>> about "the " or "an "?
>
> Multiple indistinguishable objects are still multiple, so "an".
>
> Implementation details should only enter the conversation when
>
Jon Ribbens :
> On 2019-05-25, Michael Torrie wrote:
>> Not really. Serverless just means stateless web-based remote
>> procedure calls. This is by definition what CGI is.
>
> No, it isn't. CGI is a specific API and method of calling a program in
> order to serve a web request. It isn't a
Paul Rubin :
> Stéphane Wirtel writes:
>> Not a massive effort, but we are limited with the resources.
>
> I keep hearing that but it makes it sound like Python itself is in
> decline. That is despite the reports that it is now the most popular
> language in the world. It also makes me ask why
Rhodri James :
> On 06/03/2019 14:15, Calvin Spealman wrote:
>>> C++ (a language I have no respect for)
>> This was uncalled for and inappropriate. Please keep discord civil.
>
> That was the civil version :-)
C++ is a programming language without feelings. It's nobody's ethnicity,
sexual
Roel Schroeven :
> In the absence of any other mention of bindings being removed, to me
> it seems clear that bindings are not automatically removed. Otherwise
> many things become ambiguous. Example: the documentation for dicts
> defines "d[key] = value" as "Set d[key] to value". Does that mean
Chris Angelico :
> What if an exception gets raised at some point before the function has
> returned? The exception object will give full access to the function's
> locals.
It wouldn't hurt for the Python gods to make an explicit ruling on the
matter.
Marko
--
Alan Bawden :
> Gregory Ewing writes:
>
>> Alan Bawden wrote:
>> > the Java Language
>> > Specification contains the following language:
>> >Optimizing transformations of a program can be designed that reduce
>> >the number of objects that are reachable to be less than those which
>> >
Rhodri James :
> On 27/02/2019 06:56, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Then there's the question of a sufficient way to prevent premature
>> garbage collection:
>>
>> def fun():
>> f = open("lock")
>> flock.flock(f, fcntl.LOCK
Alan Bawden :
> Marko Rauhamaa writes:
>> def fun():
>> f = open("lock")
>> flock.flock(f, fcntl.LOCK_EX)
>> do_stuff()
>> sys.exit(0)
>>
>> Question: can a compliant Python implementation close f (an
Consider this function:
def fun():
f = open("lock")
flock.flock(f, fcntl.LOCK_EX)
do_stuff()
sys.exit(0)
Question: can a compliant Python implementation close f (and,
consequently, release the file lock) before/while do_stuff() is
executed?
I couldn't find
"Avi Gross" :
> A NaN is a bit like a black hole. Anything thrown in disappears and
> that is about all we know about it. No two black holes are the same
> even if they seem to have the same mass, spin and charge. All they
> share is that we don't know what is in them.
Then, how do you explain:
r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram):
> try:
> with open( 'file', 'r' ) as f:
> use( f )
> except Exception as inst:
> print( inst )
>
> Is target code the correct way to use »with« with together
> with »except«?
>
> Or is it recommended to continue to use »finally« in such
Chris Angelico :
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 10:16 PM Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> and the framing format is HTTP. I will need to type something like this:
>>
>>POST / HTTP/1.1^M
>>Host: localhost^M
>>Content-type: application/json^M
&g
Chris Angelico :
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 9:16 PM Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> The need for the format to be "typable" (and editable) is essential
>> for ad-hoc manual testing of components. That precludes all framing
>> formats that would necessitate a length pr
Paul Rubin :
> Marko Rauhamaa writes:
>> Having rejected different options (> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON_streaming>), I settled with
>> terminating each JSON value with an ASCII NUL character, which is
>> illegal in JSON proper.
>
> Thanks, that Wikipedi
Paul Rubin :
> Maybe someone can convince me I'm misusing JSON but I often want to
> write out a file containing multiple records, and it's convenient to
> use JSON to represent the record data.
>
> The obvious way to read a JSON doc from a file is with "json.load(f)"
> where f is a file handle.
Ian Kelly :
> On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>>> class State(Enum):
>>> Maybe = 2
>>
>> # Tri-state logic
>> Maybe = object()
>
> The enum has a nice __str__ though.
That's why I usually use string sentinels:
Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de>:
> Do not make changes to your code only to apeace a linter.
Precisely. Don't let a tool drive a show.
> Regarding more the general question, should I use an instance method,
> a class method, a static method, or a function? -- that is hard to
> answer without an
Musatov :
> I work from a web database of users and I continually have to copy email
> address and user ID to two separate fields on a Salesforce.com page.
>
> I go to the webpage, highlight email address then copy.
> Then go to Salesforce page, and paste.
> Then go back to the webpage, then copy
Michael Torrie :
> As far as I know it's not possible for an application to directly yank
> highlighted text from another application.
That's an age-old pattern in X11. I don't know if Wayland supports it.
Application 1 holds a selection (usually highlighted) and Application 2
wants to copy the
pjmcle...@gmail.com:
> not sure why utf-8 gives an error when thats the most wide all caracters
> inclusive right?/
Not all sequences of bytes are legal in UTF-8. For example,
>>> b'\x80'.decode("utf-8")
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
UnicodeDecodeError:
Thomas Jollans :
> On 2018-10-19 12:06, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Anders Wegge Keller :
>>> * python3 will refer to some version of Python 3.x.
>>
>> Untrue for macOS, ArchLinux, RHEL and CentOS.
>
> Sure it's true for *EL (it's just that python3 might not b
Anders Wegge Keller :
> * python2 will refer to some version of Python 2.x.
Untrue for macOS.
> * python3 will refer to some version of Python 3.x.
Untrue for macOS, ArchLinux, RHEL and CentOS.
> * for the time being, all distributions should ensure that python, if
> installed, refers to the
Paul Rubin :
> Marko Rauhamaa writes:
>> Emacs occasionally hangs for about a minute to perform garbage
>> collection.
>
> I've never experienced that, especially with more recent versions that I
> think do a little bit of heap tidying in the background. Even in
Paul Rubin :
> But it's possible to do parallel GC with bounded latency. Perry
> Cheng's 2001 PhD thesis says how to do it and is fairly readable:
>
> http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/anon/2001/CMU-CS-01-174.pdf
Thanks. On a quick glance, it is difficult to judge what the worst-case
time
Paul Rubin :
> Marko Rauhamaa writes:
>>> Right, if I need near realtime behaviour and must live
>>> with [C]Python's garbage collector.
>> Or any other GC ever invented.
>
> There are realtime ones, like the Azul GC for Java, that have bounded
> delay in
Rhodri James :
> On 15/10/18 12:28, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Try running
>>
>> emacs -q abc.c
>>
>> and observe the indentation depth.
>
> """User Option: c-basic-offset
>
> This style variable holds the basic offset betw
Rhodri James :
> On 15/10/18 05:45, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> The two-space indentation is the out-of-the-box default for emacs.
>
> Ahem. It's the default for certain C styles. It's not even the default
> for C-mode itself, which is 4.
You must be running a different version
dieter :
> Marko Rauhamaa writes:
>> Keeping the number of long-term objects low is key.
>
> Right, if I need near realtime behaviour and must live
> with [C]Python's garbage collector.
Or any other GC ever invented.
> But, a web application does usually not need ne
Chris Angelico :
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 3:51 PM Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> I don't understand your point here. It prints a letter, then some
> spaces, then a tab, then another letter. On my terminal, that displays
> the tab by advancing to the next tab position. If I highlight to
&g
Chris Angelico :
> I'm saying I have never seen is this:
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:56 AM Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> However, it is trumped by an older
>> convention whereby the indentation levels go as follows:
>>
>>0:
>>1: SPC SPC
>>2:
Chris Angelico :
> Tabs for indentation have semantic meaning. Top-level has zero tabs.
> One indentation level is represented by one tab. Two indentation
> levels? Two tabs. It's about as perfect a representation as you could
> hope for. If you like your indentation levels to be as wide as four
Paul Rubin :
> Note that Java has a lot of [GC] options to choose from:
> https://docs.oracle.com/javase/9/gctuning/available-collectors.htm
I'm all for GC, but Java's GC tuning options are the strongest
counter-argument against it. The options just shift the blame from the
programming language
dieter :
> Marko Rauhamaa writes:
>> However, I challenge the notion that creating hundreds of thousands of
>> temporary objects is stupid. I suspect that the root cause of the
>> lengthy pauses is that the program maintains millions of *nongarbage*
>> obj
dieter :
> Every system you use has its advantages and its drawbacks.
> Depending on the specific context (problem, resources, knowledge, ...),
> you must choose an appropriate one.
Yep. I use Python for numerous tasks professionally and at home. Just
this past week I used it to plan a junior
Thomas Jollans :
> On 08/10/2018 08:31, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Where I work (and at home), the only control character that is allowed
>> in source code is LF.
>
> No tolerance for form feeds?
None whatsoever.
CR is ok but only if immediately followed by BEL. That way typ
Chris Angelico :
> How wide my indents are on my screen shouldn't influence your screen
> or your choices.
Where I work (and at home), the only control character that is allowed
in source code is LF.
Marko
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Russell Owen :
> I think what I'm looking for is a task-like thing I can create that I
> can end when *I* say it's time to end, and if I'm not quick enough
> then it will time out gracefully. But maybe there's a simpler way to
> do this. It doesn't seem like it should be difficult, but I'm
Ian Kelly :
> The terminology should be changed because it's offensive, full stop.
> It may be normalized to many who are accustomed to it, but that
> doesn't make it any less offensive.
>
> Imagine if the terminology were instead "dominant / submissive".
> Without meaning to assume too much,
Rick Johnson :
> Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>> Object-oriented philosophy
> [...] [...] [...]
>
> So, to make a long story short, you may want to do some
> googling...
Long story short, Michael, Rick is a masterful troll extraordinaire.
Highly amusing when you're in the mood.
Marko
--
Marko Rauhamaa :
> def f(n):
> def auxf1(sum, m, i):
> if i == n:
> return sum
> else:
> def auxf2(sum, m, i):
> if sum % m == 0:
> re
Paul Moore :
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 at 15:10, Paul Moore wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 at 14:06, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>> > However I have a follow up question. Why the "let" construct in the
>> > first place? Is this just a matter of principle, "put everything in
>> > its own scope as a
mm0fmf :
> On 06/09/2018 21:06, Ethan Furman wrote:
>> On 09/06/2018 12:42 PM, Reto Brunner wrote:
>>> What do you think the link, which is attached to every email you
>>> receive from the list, is for? Listinfo sounds very promising,
>>> doesn't it?
>>>
>>> And if you actually go to it you'll
"Michael F. Stemper" :
> Since the three classes all had common methods (by design), I
> thought that maybe refactoring these three classes to inherit from
> a parent class would be beneficial. I went ahead and did so.
> (Outlines of before and after are at the end of the post.)
>
> Net net is
Chris Angelico :
> The request was to translate this into Python, not to slavishly
> imitate every possible semantic difference even if it won't actually
> affect behaviour.
I trust Steven to be able to refactor the code into something more
likable. His only tripping point was the meaning of the
Chris Angelico :
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> And even more idiomatically, Python doesn't require a new scope just
> for a new variable. So a much more idiomatic translation would be to
> simply ensure that the inner variable can't collide, and
Chris Angelico :
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Marko Rauhamaa (Marko Rauhamaa):
>>> Steven D'Aprano :
>>>> I have this snippet of SML code which I'm trying to translate to Python:
>>>>
>>>> fun isqrt n = if n=
Marko Rauhamaa (Marko Rauhamaa):
> Steven D'Aprano :
>> I have this snippet of SML code which I'm trying to translate to Python:
>>
>> fun isqrt n = if n=0 then 0
>> else let val r = isqrt (n/4)
>> in
>>
Steven D'Aprano :
> I have this snippet of SML code which I'm trying to translate to Python:
>
> fun isqrt n = if n=0 then 0
> else let val r = isqrt (n/4)
> in
> if n < (2*r+1)^2 then 2*r
> else 2*r+1
> end
Steven D'Aprano :
> I have this snippet of SML code which I'm trying to translate to Python:
>
> fun isqrt n = if n=0 then 0
> else let val r = isqrt (n/4)
> in
> if n < (2*r+1)^2 then 2*r
> else 2*r+1
> end
Malcolm Greene :
> Is there a benefit to using one of these techniques over the other?
> Is one approach more Pythonic and preferred over the other for
> style reasons?
> message = message.encode('UTF-8')
> message = bytes(message, 'UTF-8')
I always use the former. I wonder why that is. I guess
Gregory Ewing :
> Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Lexically, there is special access:
>>
>>class C:
>>def __init__(self, some, arg):
>>c = self
>>class D:
>>def method(self):
>>
Dan Sommers :
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:39:38 +, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> I have often wished Python had proper namespaces, so I didn't have to
>> abuse classes as containers in this way :-(
>>
>> (Not that I do this using "inner classes", but I do often want to use
>> a class as a container
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:40:16 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>
>>class C:
>>def __init__(self, some, arg):
>>c = self
>>class D:
>>def method(self):
>>a
Thomas Jollans :
> On 2018-08-20 04:22, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Grant Edwards
>> wrote:
>>> On 2018-08-20, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
It is if you run it as hd.
>>> What do you mean "run it as hd"?
>>> I don't have an "hd" in my path.
>> Your system is
Gregory Ewing :
> Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Some of these chores are heavier, some of them are lighter. But where
>> I have used Python, performance hasn't been a bottleneck. It it were,
>> I'd choose different approaches of implementation.
>
> The point is that creatin
Gregory Ewing :
> Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> At least some of the methods of inner classes are closures (or there
>> would be no point to an inner class).
>
> In Python there is no such thing as an "inner class" in the Java
> sense. You can nest class statements,
Chris Angelico :
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 11:54 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> 3) Every invocation of method() has to execute the class body, which
>>> takes time.
>>
>> That's what happens with every method invocation in Python regardless.
>
> No. You
Chris Angelico :
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> The most useful use of inner classes is something like this:
>>
>> class Outer:
>> def method(self):
>> outer = self
>>
>> class
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 11:43:44 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> At least some of the methods of inner classes are closures (or there
>> would be no point to an inner class).
>
> [...]
>
> (2) Whether or not the methods of an inner class are closure
richard lucassen :
> As I'm new to Python, just this question: are there any unPythony
> things in this code?
Your code looks neat.
> except IOError:
> print ("[ALERT] I/O problem device 0x%x" % list_pcf[i])
Just double check that simply printing the alert is the correct recovery
Chris Angelico :
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Chris Angelico :
>>
>>> *headscratch*
>>>
>>> So this is okay:
>>>
>>> def f():
>>> for i in range(5):
>>> def g(): ...
>>
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 00:11:30 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>
>> In Python programming, I mostly run into closures through inner classes
>> (as in Java).
>
> Inner classes aren't closures.
At least some of the methods of inner classes are closures (or
Chris Angelico :
> *headscratch*
>
> So this is okay:
>
> def f():
> for i in range(5):
> def g(): ...
>
> But this isn't:
>
> class C:
> for i in range(5):
> def m(self): ...
>
> I've missed something here.
No, you got it right.
Marko
--
Chris Angelico :
> Your acceptance of closures is a perfect proof of how magic stops
> looking like magic once you get accustomed to it.
Actually, that's a very good observation. You should stick with a
smallish kernel of primitives and derive the universe from them.
Anyway, functions as
Steven D'Aprano :
>> In a word, steer clear of metaprogramming.
>
> [...]
> (2) if you mean what you say, that means no decorators,
Correct. I don't find decorators all that useful or tasteful.
> no closures,
Closures I consider ordinary programming. Nothing meta there.
> no introspection
Chris Angelico :
> Programming is heavily about avoiding duplicated work.
That is one aspect, but overcondensing and overabstracting programming
logic usually makes code less obvious to its maintainer. It is essential
to find coding idioms that communicate ideas as clearly as possible. In
some
skybuck2...@hotmail.com:
> On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 10:01:37 PM UTC+2, Léo El Amri wrote:
>> On 13/08/2018 21:54, skybuck2...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > I just had a funny idea how to implement a swap operator for types:
>> >
>> > A >< B
>> >
>> > would mean swap A and B.
>>
>> I think that:
INADA Naoki :
> For Python 3.6, I think best way to allow arbitrary bytes on stdout is
> using `PYTHONIOENCODING=utf-8:surrogateescape` environment variable.
Good info!
Marko
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Steven D'Aprano :
> (1) This proposal requires operators to be legal identifiers,
> such as "XOR" or "spam", not punctuation like % and
> absolutely not Unicode symbols like ∉
Oh, that's a let-down. Operator symbols get their expressive value from
visual conciseness:
life←{↑1 ⍵∨.∧3
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:14:18 +, Schachner, Joseph wrote:
>> thing is None looks just as odd to me. Why not thing == None ? That
>> works.
>
> It is wrong (in other words, it doesn't work) because it allows
> non-None objects to masquerade as None and pretend to be what they
Steven D'Aprano :
> Lambda calculus has the concept of a binding operator, which is
> effectively an assignment operator: it takes a variable and a value
> and binds the value to the variable, changing a free variable to a
> bound variable. In other words, it assigns the value to the variable,
>
Ben Finney :
> Gregory Ewing writes:
>
>> Marko is asking us to stop using the word "binding" to refer to
>> assignment because of the potential confusion with this other meaning.
>
> That's about as reasonable as my request that we stop using the term
> “variable” for what is, in Python, an
Dennis Lee Bieber :
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 00:08:00 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa
> declaimed the following:
>
>>I Java terms, all Python values are boxed. That's a very usual pattern
>>in virtually all programming languages (apart from FORTRAN).
>
> FORTRAN, C, COBOL,
Richard Damon :
>> On Jul 22, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> I wish people stopped talking about "name binding" and "rebinding,"
>> which are simply posh synonyms for variable assignment. Properly, the
>> term "binding" comes fro
Bart :
> If you did need one of those others to be variable, then you just assign
> it to a variable the rare times you need to do that. For example:
>
> def fn1(): pass
> def fn2(): pass
>
> fn = fn1 if cond else fn2
>
> fn1, fn2 will always be functions. fn will always be a variable, but
r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram):
>>Rebinding names is near-universal in programming, but usually names
>>that are intended to be rebound, such as variables.
>
> To someone like me who has grown up with a LISP 1
> this is completely natural.
>
> |>( SETQ A ( LAMBDA () 'ALPHA ))
> |(LAMBDA
Chris Angelico :
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:14 AM, Grant Edwards
> wrote:
>> I refuse to believe there's an extant processor in common use where
>> an ADD is faster than an OR unless somebody shows me the processor
>> spec sheet.
>
> "Faster than"? I'd agree with you. But "as fast as"? I
Antoon Pardon :
> On 17-07-18 14:22, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> If you assume that NFC normalizes every letter to a single codepoint
>> (and carefully use NFC everywhere), you are right. But equally likely
>> you may inadvertently be setting yourself up for a surprise.
>
&
MRAB :
> "ch" usually represents 2 phonemes, basically the sounds of "t"
> followed by "sh";
Traditionally, that sound is considered a single phoneme:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affricate_consonant>
Can you hear the difference in these expressions:
high chairs
height shares
Chris Angelico :
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:41 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> I can see that the bullying behavior comes from exasperation instead of
>> an outright meanness. They sincerely believe they understand the issues
>> better than their opponents and are at a lo
Rhodri James :
> On 17/07/18 02:17, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Ah yes, the unfortunate design error that iterating over byte-strings
>> returns ints rather than single-byte strings.
>>
>> That decision seemed to make sense at the time it was made, but turned
>> out to be an annoyance. It's a wart
Antoon Pardon :
> On 17-07-18 10:27, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Also, Python2's strings do as good a job at delivering codepoints as
>> Python3.
>
> No they don't. The programs that I work on, need to be able to treat
> at least german, french, dutch and eng
Chris Angelico :
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Of course, UTF-8 doesn't relieve you from Unicode problems. But it has
>> one big advantage: it can usually deal with non-Unicode data without any
>> extra considerations while Python3's strings
Chris Angelico :
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> What I'd need is for the tty to tell me what column the cursor is
>> visually. Or better yet, the tty would have to tell me where the column
>> would be *after* I emit the next grapheme cluster.
Chris Angelico :
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> For me, the issue is where do I produce a line break in my text output?
>> Currently, I'm just counting codepoints to estimate the width of the
>> output.
>
> Well, that's just flat out wron
INADA Naoki :
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:57 PM Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>
>> Python3 is not a cult. It's a programming language. What is cult-like is
>> the manner in which Python3's honor is defended in a good many of the
>> discussions in this newsgroup: anger, conde
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:52:13 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>
>> Both Python2 and Python3 provide two forms of string, one containing
>> 8-bit integers and another one containing 21-bit integers.
>
> Why do you insist on making counter-factual statement
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:48:42 -0400, Richard Damon wrote:
>> Who says there needs to be one. A good engineer will use the
>> definition that is most appropriate to the task at hand. Some things
>> need very solid definitions, and some things don’t.
>
> The the problem is solved:
INADA Naoki :
>> I won't comment on Rust and Swift because I don't know them.
> ...
>> I won't comment on Go, either.
>
> Hmm, do you say Python 3 is "cult-like" without survey other popular,
> programming languages?
You can talk about Python3 independently of other programming languages.
INADA Naoki :
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:31 PM Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> So I hope that by now you have understood my point and been able to
>> decide if you agree with it or not.
>
> I still don't understand what's your original point.
> I think UTF-8 vs UTF-32 is total
Tim Chase :
> On 2018-07-16 23:59, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> Tim Chase :
>> > While the python world has moved its efforts into improving
>> > Python3, Python2 hasn't suddenly stopped working.
>>
>> The sword of Damocles is hanging on its head. Unles
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