Re: why did GMPY change the names of its functions?

2012-03-26 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 26, 10:39 am, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 3/26/2012 12:59 AM, Mensanator wrote: OK, GMPY is now called GMPY2. No big deal, I can import as GMPY. But why were scan0 and scan1 changed to bit_scan0 and bit_scan1? Guess: Either the functions changed or they want

Re: why did GMPY change the names of its functions?

2012-03-26 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 26, 1:33 pm, cas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:59:56 PM UTC-7, Mensanator wrote: OK, GMPY is now called GMPY2. No big deal, I can import as GMPY. But why were scan0 and scan1 changed to bit_scan0 and bit_scan1? What's the justification for that? I use those

why did GMPY change the names of its functions?

2012-03-25 Thread Mensanator
OK, GMPY is now called GMPY2. No big deal, I can import as GMPY. But why were scan0 and scan1 changed to bit_scan0 and bit_scan1? What's the justification for that? I use those functions extensively in my library of Collatz utilities and I had to re-edit them for no obvious reason. --

Re: huh??? weird problem

2010-05-14 Thread Mensanator
On May 14, 7:14 pm, cerr ron.egg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi There, I got following code: start=time.time() print 'warnTimeout '+str(WarnTimeout) print 'critTimeout '+str(CritTimeout) print 'start',str(start) while wait:     passed =  time.time()-start     print 'passed ',str(passed)     if

Re: stopping execution window on error - newbie

2010-05-13 Thread Mensanator
On May 13, 4:00 pm, a oxfordenergyservi...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm coding on an old windows laptop i write the code and double click the icon.   Don't do that. it runs the program and writes results to a window. when the code finishes, the window closes, i do a time.sleep(10) to see

Re: First Timer

2010-05-12 Thread Mensanator
On May 11, 9:32 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 5/11/2010 7:03 PM, Mensanator wrote: On May 11, 4:37 pm, Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu  wrote: In the command line interpreter, you should be able to hit up arrow and have the line above copied to the current entry line

Re: Why the inconsistent of those two base64 methods?

2010-05-12 Thread Mensanator
On May 12, 4:20 am, Maarten maarten.sn...@knmi.nl wrote: On May 12, 6:04 am, Leo Jay python.leo...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to encode a string in base64, but I found a inconsistent of two methods: 'aaa'.encode('base64') 'YWFh\n' import base64 base64.b64encode('aaa') 'YWFh'

Re: How to test whether bit is set within a flag with Python ?

2010-05-12 Thread Mensanator
On May 12, 1:40 pm, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: robert somerville wrote: I am trying to determine how to test whether variors bits are set within a byte (or larger flag) , the python 'and' and 'or' do not seem to be doing what i want .. does anybody have some sample code showing

Re: First Timer

2010-05-11 Thread Mensanator
On May 11, 4:37 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 5/11/2010 3:28 PM, Donna Lane wrote: I have downloaded Python and I'm a beginner in every sense. Welcome. I hope you enjoy Python too.   What I want to know now is when I am in Idle and have made a syntax error how do I repair?

Re: Help running Windows programs from Python

2010-05-07 Thread Mensanator
On May 7, 2:14 pm, Scott scott.freem...@gmail.com wrote: I want to write a script to automate log archiving/compressing on a Win2003 server. I have Python 2.6 installed. I am planning to use 7- zip for compression (because I have been using it manually for a while now). For now all operations

Re: long int computations

2010-05-04 Thread Mensanator
On May 3, 10:17 am, s...@sig.for.address (Victor Eijkhout) wrote: I have two long ints, both too long to convert to float, but their ratio is something reasonable. How can I compute that? The obvious (1.*x)/y does not work. You could try using the gmpy module. It supports arbitrary precision

Re: Performance of list.index - how to speed up a silly algorithm?

2010-04-29 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 29, 5:21 pm, Laszlo Nagy gand...@shopzeus.com wrote: I have some ten thousand rows in a table. E.g. columns = [color,size,weight,value] rows = [      [ Yellow, Big, 2, 4 ],      [ Blue, Big, 3, -4 ],      [ Blue, Small, 10, 55 ],      ... ] Some columns are dimensions, others are

Re: Deleting more than one element from a list

2010-04-21 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 21, 2:56 pm, candide cand...@free.invalid wrote: Is the del instruction able to remove _at the same_ time more than one element from a list ? For instance, this seems to be correct :   z=[45,12,96,33,66,'c',20,99]   del z[2], z[6],z[0]   z [12, 33, 66, 'c', 20]  

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 11, 6:08 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 11:54:04 -0700, Mensanator wrote: On Apr 11, 11:53 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: 3.x won't

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 12, 3:51 am, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: You think the right thing to do is just quietly work around the problem and sit back and laugh knowing sooner or later someone else will get burned by it? Haven't we covered argument from fallacy

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-12 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 12, 11:39 am, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 4/12/2010 1:57 AM, Mensanator wrote: Likewise, I usually don't shut down when I leave work, so I can't allow orphaned processes to accumulate eating up CPU and memory. So don't. I don't. I'm complaining about the need to do

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 10, 11:51�pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote: Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: 3.x won't be adopted by WINDOWS developers WHO USE IDLE until it's fixed. I think you left your hyperbole level too high so I turned it down for you. I don't know of _anyone_ who uses IDLE to run

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 11, 11:53�am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of now, it's seriously broken and unsuitable for production. In what ways do you consider

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 11, 12:00�pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 4/11/2010 12:08 AM, Mensanator wrote: On Apr 10, 7:15 pm, Chris Rebertc...@rebertia.com �wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Mensanatormensana...@aol.com �wrote: 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed. As of now

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-11 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 11, 11:33 pm, Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/12/10 04:54, Mensanator wrote: On Apr 11, 11:53 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:08:44 -0700, Mensanator wrote: 3.x won't be adopted by developers until it's fixed

Re: [RELEASED] 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 10, 5:45 pm, Michael Ströder mich...@stroeder.com wrote: average wrote: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the first beta release of Python 2.7. Python 2.7 is scheduled (by Guido and Python-dev) to be the last major version in the 2.x series.  

Re: 2.7 beta 1

2010-04-10 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 10, 7:15�pm, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Apr 10, 5:45�pm, Michael Str�der mich...@stroeder.com wrote: average wrote: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm merry to announce the first beta

Re: off topic but please forgive me me and answer

2010-04-04 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 3, 9:03 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:35:34 -0700, Mensanator wrote: On Apr 3, 10:17 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:43:41 +0100, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: I am

Re: off topic but please forgive me me and answer

2010-04-03 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 3, 8:00 am, superpollo ute...@esempio.net wrote: Patrick Maupin ha scritto: On Apr 2, 2:41 pm, Andreas Waldenburger use...@geekmail.invalid wrote: While everyone else is mocking you: Can you please elaborate on why you want to know and what kind of problem you're trying to

Re: off topic but please forgive me me and answer

2010-04-03 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 3, 10:17 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:43:41 +0100, Martin P. Hellwig wrote: I am replying to this post not because I disagree but because it postalogically  fits the best (I am by no means an expert either). IMHO, the

Re: off topic but please forgive me me and answer

2010-04-02 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 1, 9:44 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:49:43 -0500, Tim Chase wrote: David Robinow wrote: $ python -c print 1/2 * 1/2 0  But that's not what I learned in grade school. (Maybe I should upgrade to 3.1?) That's because you

Re: off topic but please forgive me me and answer

2010-04-02 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 2, 6:07 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 12:35:55 -0700, Mensanator wrote: If you want an exact result when multiplying arbitrary fractions, you need to avoid floats and decimals and use Fractions: Fraction(1, 2)**2 Fraction(1

Re: off topic but please forgive me me and answer

2010-04-02 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 2, 2:34 pm, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2:41 pm, Andreas Waldenburger use...@geekmail.invalid wrote: While everyone else is mocking you: Can you please elaborate on why you want to know and what kind of problem you're trying to solve with this? Also, don't you

Re: off topic but please forgive me me and answer

2010-04-02 Thread Mensanator
On Apr 2, 7:32 pm, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 2, 6:50 pm, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Apr 2, 2:34 pm, Patrick Maupin pmau...@gmail.com wrote: Methinks the OP is fluent in the way of choosing newsgroups. According to google, he has posted 6855 messages

Re: Binary Decimals in Python

2010-03-30 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 30, 10:49 am, Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com wrote: On Mar 30, 8:13 am, aditya bluemangrou...@gmail.com wrote: To get the decimal representation of a binary number, I can just do this: int('11',2) # returns 3 But decimal binary numbers throw a ValueError: int('1.1',2) #

Re: Binary Decimals in Python

2010-03-30 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 30, 1:52 pm, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: John Nagle wrote: aditya wrote: On Mar 30, 10:49 am, Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com wrote: On Mar 30, 8:13 am, aditya bluemangrou...@gmail.com wrote: To get the decimal representation of a binary number, I can just do this:

Re: OT: Meaning of monkey

2010-03-29 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 29, 5:31 pm, Gib Bogle g.bo...@auckland.no.spam.ac.nz wrote: I prefer to think of myself as a code-ape - I look down on code-monkeys. Why? They have prehensile tails. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Have you embraced Python 3.x yet?

2010-03-26 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 26, 8:23 am, Harishankar v.harishan...@gmail.com wrote: Have you people embraced Python 3.x or still with 2.5 or 2.6? 3.1. The only module I use regularly is gmpy and that's one that has been updated. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: Meaning of monkey

2010-03-26 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 26, 2:44 pm, Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 26, 6:14 am, Luis M. González luis...@gmail.com wrote: Webmonkey, Greasemonkey, monkey-patching, Tracemonkey, Jägermonkey, Spidermonkey, Mono (monkey in spanish), codemonkey, etc, etc, etc... Monkeys everywhere. Sorry for the

Re: Python 3.1.2 release candidate

2010-03-08 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 6, 4:13 pm, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: On behalf of the Python development team, I'm pleased to announce a release candidate for the second bugfix release of the Python 3.1 series, Python 3.1.2. This bug fix release fixes numerous issues found in 3.1.1.  This release

Re: Slicing [N::-1]

2010-03-05 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 5, 12:01 pm, Joan Miller pelok...@gmail.com wrote: What does a slice as [N::-1] ? Starts at position N and returns all items to the start of the list in reverse order. It looks that in the first it reverses the slice and then it shows only N items, right? Wrong. It shows N+1 items.

Re: Slicing [N::-1]

2010-03-05 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 5, 12:28 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:12:05 +, Arnaud Delobelle wrote: l = range(10) l [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9] l[7::-1] [7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0] [l[i] for i in range(7, -1, -1)] [7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0]

Re: Slicing [N::-1]

2010-03-05 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 5, 3:42 pm, Gary Herron gher...@islandtraining.com wrote: Mensanator wrote: The only way to get a 0 from a reverse range() is to have a bound of -1. Not quite.  An empty second bound goes all the way to the zero index: Not the same thing. You're using the bounds of the slice index

Re: Slicing [N::-1]

2010-03-05 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 5, 6:34 pm, Gary Herron gher...@islandtraining.com wrote: Mensanator wrote: On Mar 5, 3:42 pm, Gary Herron gher...@islandtraining.com wrote: Mensanator wrote: The only way to get a 0 from a reverse range() is to have a bound of -1. Not quite.  An empty second bound goes all

Re: _winreg and access registry settings of another user

2010-03-04 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 4, 3:24 pm, News123 news...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I habe administrator privilege  on a window host and would like to write a script setting some registry entries for other users. Why? Are you writing a virus? There are potentially at least two wo ways of doing this: 1.) start a

Re: Question about typing: ints/floats

2010-03-03 Thread Mensanator
On Mar 3, 5:45 pm, Wells thewellsoli...@gmail.com wrote: This seems sort of odd to me: a = 1 a += 1.202 a 2.202 Indicates that 'a' was an int that was implicitly casted to a float. But: a = 1 b = 3 a / b 0 This does not implicitly do the casting, it treats 'a' and 'b' as

Re: Walking lists

2010-02-25 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 25, 7:02 am, Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote: Python 3 introduced a variable tuple assignment which I suspect[*] would work in this context:    for first, *rest in L: # note the asterisk      print first      for x in rest:        do_stuff(x) [*] not having py3 on

Re: When will Java go mainstream like Python?

2010-02-25 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 25, 6:41 pm, Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: * Chris Gray: Lawrence D'Oliveiro l...@geek-central.gen.new_zealand writes: In message op.u8nfpex8y5e...@laptopwanja, Wanja Gayk wrote: Reference counting is about the worst technique for garbage collection. It avoids the need

Re: DreamPie - The Python shell you've always dreamed about!

2010-02-21 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 21, 3:42�am, Noam Yorav-Raphael noamr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pleased to announce DreamPie 1.0 - a new graphical interactive Python shell! What versions of Python does it suuport? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: DreamPie - The Python shell you've always dreamed about!

2010-02-21 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 21, 10:30�am, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Feb 21, 3:42 am, Noam Yorav-Raphael noamr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pleased to announce DreamPie 1.0 - a new graphical interactive Python shell! What versions of Python does it suuport? What OS are supported? -- http

Re: DreamPie - The Python shell you've always dreamed about!

2010-02-21 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 21, 12:14 pm, Paul Boddie p...@boddie.org.uk wrote: On 21 Feb, 17:32, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Feb 21, 10:30 am, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: What versions of Python does it suuport? What OS are supported? From the Web site referenced in the announcement

Re: DreamPie - The Python shell you've always dreamed about!

2010-02-21 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 21, 7:39 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote: Mensanator snipped: Yeah, I saw that. Funny that something important like that wasn't part of the announcement. I notice no mention of Mac OS, so visiting the website was a complete waste of time on my part, wasn't it? Oh

Re: Stephen -- Bruce?

2010-02-08 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 8, 3:02 am, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Mensanator, 05.02.2010 00:36: On Feb 4, 5:13 pm, Alf P. Steinbach wrote: What's this about all the Stephen'ses here? Shouldn't it be Bruce? Of course. We just call everyone Stephen to avoid confusion. Some people even manage

Re: Stephen -- Bruce?

2010-02-06 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 4, 5:13 pm, Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: What's this about all the Stephen'ses here? Shouldn't it be Bruce? Of course. We just call everyone Stephen to avoid confusion. - Alf (wondering) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Last M digits of expression A^N

2010-02-05 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 5, 2:18 pm, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 5, 8:14 pm, mukesh tiwari mukeshtiwari.ii...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone. I am kind of new to python so pardon me if i sound stupid. I have to find out the last M digits of expression.One thing i can do is (A**N)%M

Re: ANN: GMPY 1.11 released

2010-02-03 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 3, 10:37 am, casevh cas...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 2, 10:03 pm, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Feb 2, 12:45 am, casevh cas...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone, I'm pleased to annouce the final release of GMPY 1.11. GMPY is a wrapper for the MPIR or GMP multiple

Re: ANN: GMPY 1.11 released

2010-02-03 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 3, 12:36 pm, casevh cas...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 3, 10:22 am, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: Historically, gmpy really didn't have alpha/beta/rc versions and gmpy.version() just had the version number and didn't indicate the status. If I change it, I'd rather go to 1.1.1rc1

Re: ANN: GMPY 1.11 released

2010-02-02 Thread Mensanator
On Feb 2, 12:45 am, casevh cas...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone, I'm pleased to annouce the final release of GMPY 1.11. GMPY is a wrapper for the MPIR or GMP multiple-precision arithmetic library. GMPY 1.11 is available for download from: http://code.google.com/p/gmpy/ In addition to support

Re: PEP 3147 - new .pyc format

2010-01-30 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 30, 4:14 pm, John Roth johnro...@gmail.com wrote: PEP 3147 has just been posted, proposing that, beginning in release 3.2 (and possibly 2.7) compiled .pyc and .pyo files be placed in a directory with a .pyr extension. The reason is so that compiled versions of a program can coexist,

Re: Need help with a program

2010-01-28 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 28, 12:28 pm, Steven Howe howe.ste...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/28/2010 09:49 AM, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: evilweasel wrote: I will make my question a little more clearer. I have close to 60,000 lines of the data similar to the one I posted. There are various numbers next to

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 28, 11:35 am, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women.     FALSE What?!?  Drat!!!  Guess I'll have to learn Lisp...  ;) Irresisible? Ha! The chicks will think you have a harelip. ~Ethan~ --

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 27, 2:56 pm, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they

Re: chr(12) Form Feed in Notepad (Windows)

2010-01-15 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 15, 6:40 pm, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: Tim Chase wrote: W. eWatson wrote: Tim Chase wrote: The pseudo-pipeline comparison would be   type file.txt lpt1: which would send the raw text file to the printer (assuming it's set up on LPT1, otherwise, use whatever

Re: Clarifications on compiling for Windows

2010-01-07 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 8, 12:19 am, peteshinners p...@shinners.org wrote: My presentation for Pycon is coming together, but I need to make sure my information about compiling Python and Python extensions for Windows is correct. I'm really only experienced with this on the Linux side of things. First of all,

it gets worse (was: How do you configure IDLE on a Mac...)

2010-01-05 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 5, 12:32 am, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article 0d70cb54-3d77-4176-b621-e764ecf61...@26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com,  Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: I assume I've been using the IDLE from macports. From the command prompt I've been typing idle. This launches a shell

Re: parsing an Excel formula with the re module

2010-01-05 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 5, 12:35 pm, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote: vsoler wrote: Hello, I am acessing an Excel file by means of Win 32 COM technology. For a given cell, I am able to read its formula. I want to make a map of how cells reference one another, how different sheets reference one

Re: twenty years ago Guido created Python

2010-01-05 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 5, 8:22 am, n00m n...@narod.ru wrote: Stick your English into your ass Most people would say up your ass. And use a period at the end of the sentence. Got any more funny insults? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: it gets worse (was: How do you configure IDLE on a Mac...)

2010-01-05 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 5, 4:03 pm, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article 6672dad2-26ba-458b-8075-21bac6506...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: [...] So, for all practical purposes, the macports install is broken also. IDLE simply does not work in an X11 window

How do you configure IDLE on a Mac, seeing as there's no Configure Option...

2010-01-04 Thread Mensanator
...because there's no [Options] menu on the shell window? Or at least give me a clue to how to use Courier New font? For some inscrutable reason, depite the plethora of formatting tools, someone decided that proportional spaced fonts ought to be the default for IDLE. --

Re: twenty years ago Guido created Python

2010-01-04 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 4, 4:20 pm, n00m n...@narod.ru wrote: Ben, go away from here. With all your stupids sigs. Do you think are you original? You are a stupid animal. Guido, Tim Peters, Raymond Hettinger are geniuis. I don't know exactly Python mob. Maybe forgot someone. You is only a source of depspise

Re: How do you configure IDLE on a Mac, seeing as there's no Configure Option...

2010-01-04 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 4, 10:05 am, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: ...because there's no [Options] menu on the shell window? Or at least give me a clue to how to use Courier New font? For some inscrutable reason, depite

Re: How do you configure IDLE on a Mac, seeing as there's no Configure Option...

2010-01-04 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 4, 2:25 pm, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article ec96e1391001040805j13b4e5cet3f1b74e9a81ed...@mail.gmail.com,  Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: ...because there's no [Options] menu on the shell

Re: How do you configure IDLE on a Mac, seeing as there's no Configure Option...

2010-01-04 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 4, 10:44 pm, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Jan 4, 10:05 am, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: ...because there's no [Options] menu on the shell window? Or at least give me a clue to how

Re: How do you configure IDLE on a Mac, seeing as there's no Configure Option...

2010-01-04 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 4, 9:17 am, Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: * Mensanator: ...because there's no [Options] menu on the shell window? Or at least give me a clue to how to use Courier New font? For some inscrutable reason, depite the plethora of formatting tools, someone decided

Re: Significant whitespace

2010-01-03 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 1, 4:02�pm, Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote: I put together a page about significant whitespace (and the lack thereof). The real problem is your use of proportional spaced fonts. You're invited to check it out:

Re: Significant whitespace

2010-01-02 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 2, 4:19 pm, Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote: On 1/1/2010 5:05 PM Steven D'Aprano said... In Python terms, imagine if we could write      foriinrange(10): instead of the usual      for i in range(10): Since the colon makes it unambiguous that it is some sort of block

Re: the need for 64 bits

2009-12-29 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 28, 4:44 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:50:11 -0800, Mensanator wrote: I routinely use large numbers in my Collatz Conjecture work. Really large. As in a quarter million bits. That's not large. Perhaps not in the absolute

Re: the need for 64 bits

2009-12-29 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 28, 6:48 pm, Steven D'Aprano ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote: On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:27:58 -0800, Mensanator wrote: And if I were ice fishing on the retention pond near my house and someone came up and said You know, blue whales can achieve a length of up to 108 ft., he

Re: the need for 64 bits

2009-12-29 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 28, 9:04 pm, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote: In article 034921cf$0$1277$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com,  Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:50:11 -0800, Mensanator wrote: I routinely use large numbers in my Collatz Conjecture work

Re: the need for 64 bits

2009-12-28 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 28, 9:08 am, casevh cas...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 28, 2:13 am, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 28, 6:50 am, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: But with a 64-bit processor, that limitation no longer stops me. i: 11   bits: 10,460,353,205   decimals

Re: How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1? -SOLVED!

2009-12-27 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 27, 8:19 am, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote: Mensanator wrote: On Dec 26, 10:02 pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 26, 4:20 pm, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 26, 3:57

the need for 64 bits

2009-12-27 Thread Mensanator
I routinely use large numbers in my Collatz Conjecture work. Really large. As in a quarter million bits. You wouldn't think that the processor would make all that much difference. But using the number is a doddle. The real trick is getting there. There is a limitation that few encounter. In an

Re: How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1?

2009-12-26 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 25, 8:59�pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 25, 9:25�am, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 24, 10

Re: How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1? -SOLVED!

2009-12-26 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 26, 2:07 pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: PROBLEM RESOLVED! Yes, it does appear that the disk image on pytho.ord is defective (maybe they made the image from an obsolete version?) I installed Python 3.1 from macports and everything seems to work now. (I never would

Re: How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1? -SOLVED!

2009-12-26 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 26, 3:57 pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: I guess the point here is NEVER use the disk image on python.org, ALWAYS use macports to install Python 3.1. At least until python.org fixes it. Have

Re: How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1? -SOLVED!

2009-12-26 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 26, 4:20�pm, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 26, 3:57�pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: I guess the point here is NEVER use the disk image on python.org, ALWAYS use macports

Re: How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1? -SOLVED!

2009-12-26 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 26, 10:02 pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 26, 4:20 pm, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 26, 3:57 pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 4

Re: How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1?

2009-12-25 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 25, 9:25 am, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 24, 10:18 pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: Ok, so I got

Re: How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1?

2009-12-25 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 25, 9:25 am, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 24, 10:18 pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: Ok, so I got

How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1?

2009-12-24 Thread Mensanator
Ok, so I got a MacBook Air. Has OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) and Python 2.6.1 already installed. So I install Xcode, download macports and download gmpy-1.11rc1. Following the instructions in mac_build.txt, I do the following: - sudo /opt/local/bin/port install gmp This works fine. Then I do -

Re: How do I install GMPY 1.11 on a Mac with OS X 10.6 and Python 3.1?

2009-12-24 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 24, 10:18 pm, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: Ok, so I got a MacBook Air. Has OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) and Python 2.6.1 already installed. So I install Xcode, download macports and download gmpy

Re: force non-exponential representation for Decimal?

2009-12-23 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 23, 4:03 am, jh...@gmx.de wrote: (cc-ing the list) Is there a convenient way to force a decimal.Decimal representation to not use exponential representation? Which Python version are you using?  For Python 2.6 (and 3.1), the answer's yes.  For earlier Python verions, I don't

Re: Programming intro book ch1 and ch2 (Windows/Python 3) - Request For Comments

2009-12-18 Thread Mensanator
The second deviation is that since most names are constants, Really? Does that mean you don't use literals, to save the time required to convert them to integers? Isn't that done at compile time? So, instead of doing the Collatz Conjecture as while a1: f = gmpy.scan1(a,0) if f0: a = a

Re: Programming intro book ch1 and ch2 (Windows/Python 3) - Request For Comments

2009-12-18 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 18, 6:25 pm, Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: * Mensanator: The second deviation is that since most names are constants, Really? Does that mean you don't use literals, to save the time required to convert them to integers? Isn't that done at compile time? So, instead

Re: Programming intro book ch1 and ch2 (Windows/Python 3) - Request For Comments

2009-12-18 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 19, 12:21 am, Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: * Mensanator: That said, and a bit off-tangent to your comment's main thrust, the time spent on coding that repeated-division-by-2 optimization would, I think, be better spent googling Collatz Conjecture  --  avoiding

Re: More stuff added to ch 2 of my programming intro

2009-12-17 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 17, 4:33 am, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article 183af5d2-e157-4cd6-bec6-8997809e1...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,  Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: Oh, I don't know, maybe because I'm thinking about buying one and seeing 2.3, 2.4 and 2.5 directories on the model

Re: More stuff added to ch 2 of my programming intro

2009-12-17 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 17, 10:12 am, Benjamin Kaplan benjamin.kap...@case.edu wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: or (for MacPorts fans): $ sudo port install python31 And since I haven't got one, this also tells me nothing. http://www.macports.org/ The MacPorts

Re: More stuff added to ch 2 of my programming intro

2009-12-17 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 17, 1:40 am, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 16, 8:45 pm, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article 88bab2c0-d27c-4081-a703-26b353b9e...@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com

Re: Apple Mac OS X 10.6 support compatability with Python 3 ?

2009-12-16 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 16, 11:41 am, pdlem...@earthlink.net wrote: I've been given a MAC AIR laptop with OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. On my desktop I dual boot with XP - Ubuntu and have Python on both. Unfortunately all my Python programs are written on Windows XP and I heavily rely on WConio for console I/O.

Re: More stuff added to ch 2 of my programming intro

2009-12-16 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 14, 1:23 am, Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: * Alf P. Steinbach:   Format: PDF   url:http://preview.tinyurl.com/ProgrammingBookP3 The new stuff, section 2.7, is about programs as simulations and handling data, focusing on modeling things. It includes some Python GUI

Re: More stuff added to ch 2 of my programming intro

2009-12-16 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 16, 4:41 pm, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 14, 1:23 am, Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: * Alf P. Steinbach:   Format: PDF   url:http://preview.tinyurl.com/ProgrammingBookP3 The new stuff, section 2.7, is about programs as simulations and handling

Re: More stuff added to ch 2 of my programming intro

2009-12-16 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 16, 5:45 pm, Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: * Mensanator: On Dec 16, 4:41 pm, Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: On Dec 14, 1:23 am, Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: * Alf P. Steinbach:   Format: PDF   url:http://preview.tinyurl.com/ProgrammingBookP3

Re: Using Python to Execute a C or FORTRAN Program (Windows)

2009-12-16 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 16, 8:41 pm, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: Mensanator wrote: On Dec 14, 8:14 pm, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: I think Python is capable of executing a compiled C or FORTRAN program, Sure, if it was compiled to an .exe file. and maybe even getting some

Re: More stuff added to ch 2 of my programming intro

2009-12-16 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 16, 8:45�pm, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article 88bab2c0-d27c-4081-a703-26b353b9e...@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, �Mensanator mensana...@aol.com wrote: Oh, and about Chapter 1. If you're going to use version 3.1.1 as your standard, shouldn't you also point out that 3.1.1

Re: Using Python to Execute a C or FORTRAN Program (Windows)

2009-12-14 Thread Mensanator
On Dec 14, 8:14�pm, W. eWatson wolftra...@invalid.com wrote: I think Python is capable of executing a compiled C or FORTRAN program, Sure, if it was compiled to an .exe file. and maybe even getting some parameters passed back. Sure, if the program prints to stdout. Does anyone have a

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