Michael Amrhein added the comment:
>
> ... Has anyone checked what C does?
>
#include
int main() {
int i = -12345;
double f = -12345.0;
printf("%-020d\n", i);
printf("%020d\n", i);
printf("%20d\n", i);
printf("%-020f\n"
Michael Amrhein added the comment:
Mark, to answer your question regarding the two implementations of Decimals:
No, in the cases I stated above there are no differences in their behaviour.
In order to dig a bit deeper, I wrote a little test:
d = cdec.Decimal("1234567890.123
Michael Amrhein added the comment:
Mark, I mostly agree with your classifications / proposals.
Regarding cases 3-7 I'd like to suggest a slightly different resolution:
Following my interpretation of the spec ("use zeropad *only* if no align is
given"), "<020", "&g
New submission from Michael Amrhein :
The __format__ methods of int, float and Decimal (C and Python implementation)
do not interpret the Format Specification Mini-Language in the same way:
>>> import decimal as cdec
... cdec.__file__
...
'/usr/lib64/python3.6/decimal.py'
&
On 12/12/19 8:03 PM, Python wrote:
>> Just when I think Windows 10 is a pretty decent system, I encounter
>> something inexplicable like this.
>
> We've gone through that before, haven't we?
Yup, Several times. The good news is her son finally got it installed
by launching the installer from
On 12/12/19 6:33 PM, Python wrote:
> catherine morris wrote:
>> Good evening,
>>
>> My son is trying to download python 3.8.0 on my PC, which has Windows 10,
>> and it won't install properly. I'm not tech savvy and have no idea where to
>> start.
>
> What happened exactly? Did you download the
ot;Idle" in the start menu,
which is probably where your son will want to start. Idle is a code
editor and and an environment in which to run the python programs. See
this url for an introduction to Idle. https://realpython.com/python-idle/
Hope this helps!
Michael
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Thanks. I found 3.6 works for me.
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On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark Dickinson
wrote:
>
> Mark Dickinson added the comment:
>
> I think this was already fixed in 3.5, but the fix would have gone in
> later than the 3.5.2 rel
New submission from Michael Thompson :
Version 3.5.2, the "rand string seed" is not deterministic in code sample below
across multiple invocations of the program. Python 3.6.8 works fine.
#!/usr/bin/env python3
import random
lis = '94'
random.seed(lis, version=1)
w = random.rand
Michael Felt added the comment:
quote: Interesting, a comment in curses.h:
* Notes:
* a. ESCDELAY was an undocumented feature under AIX curses.
* It gives the ESC expire time in milliseconds.
iirc - that is a symbolic link to ncurses.h from ncurses-devel RPM package
On 12/10/19 2:08 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> You might know a thing or two about Python, but you (and a number of others
> here) positivily stink as teachers, incapable or even unwilling to place
> themselves in the shoes of a newbie.
As it happens, I've heard Chris speak about teaching Python to
On 12/10/19 11:47 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Who did I call stupid ?I mentioned that the language doing it as Chris
> thinks it happens would be stupid, and I gave a reason for that (race
> conditions everywhere). But odd: Neither him nor you nor anyone else who
> complains about me thinking
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I am thinking along two lines:
a) tell setup.py to not build _curses, just as _curses_panel
b) figure out how to use configure tests, to establish that ESCDELAY is not
available AND then tell _cursesmodule.* that these routines are not available
(and add
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Did not notice this earlier - as the buildbot does not report it: issue38312
introduced a regression with regard to AIX.
Not sure how to classify component (as Build, C API, or Library, so left blank)
Failed to build these modules:
_curses
On 12/10/19 5:44 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
>> Well, that's exactly what happens.
>
> So, only the reference count gets lowered. Yep, thats daft.
Why? Consider:
a = someobject
b = a
How many references for someobject? After "del a" what should be be?
It's still someobject (the same object).
Or
On 12/8/19 11:47 AM, RobH wrote:
> Err, excuse me, I was not attempting to hack into someone else's code.
> As the code is in the public domain, I wanted it to work as is, like it
> did for the author, without changing anything.
No worries, you're totally fine. The word "hack" means something
Michael Felt added the comment:
Well, I certainly had not considered people would be using
distutils.get_platform().startswith('aix') as I have, in my limited
reading, only seen sys.platform.startswith("aix"). Likewise, do not want
to break things.
I thought this was easier to gra
On 12/7/19 9:48 AM, RobH wrote:
> On 07/12/2019 16:00, Dan Sommers wrote:
>> On 12/7/19 9:43 AM, RobH wrote:
>>> When I run a python project with an oled display on a rasperry pi zero,
>>> it calls for the Minecraftia.ttf font. I have the said file in
>>> home/pi/.fonts/
>>
>> Do you mean
On 12/7/19 3:53 AM, Peter Otten wrote:
>
> ... because Amazon doesn' like what you do. You can cheat or play by their
> rules and use the API.
Yup and although I have no love for Amazon, I can understand why they
don't want bots on the site. Already they have enough trouble with bots
buying up
On 12/6/19 5:31 PM, DL Neil via Python-list wrote:
> If you read the HTML data that the REPL has happily splattered all over
> your terminal's screen (scroll back) (NB "soup" is easier to read than
> is "content"!) you will observe that what you saw in your web-browser is
> not what Amazon
On 12/4/19 10:59 AM, David Lowry-Duda wrote:
> I notice that "python3-dateutil" is in over 4000 github repositories
> [1]. That sounds like a disaster.
>
> [1]: https://github.com/search?q=python3-dateutil=Code
It's clearly not, as Christian has already said. In fact it would be
very difficult
On 12/1/19 7:50 PM, Tim Chase wrote:
> After sparring with it a while, I tweaked the existing job so that it
> chunked things into dbm-appropriate sizes to limp through; for the
> subsequent job (where I would have used dbm again) I went ahead and
> switched to sqlite and had no further issues.
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On 11/30/19 9:42 PM, John Ladasky wrote:
> Can anyone provide concrete examples of problems arising from
> installing modules on top of the system Python? Am I courting
> disaster?
No you aren't. I've also never had any problems. I've installed many
things into my root system Python
On 11/28/19 8:46 PM, lampahome wrote:
> As title,
>
> I want to use socketserver to replace my own server code to
> maintain ealsier.
>
> But I don't found any info about tech. detail of socketserver, epoll is
> important.
>
> Can anyone tell me?
The source code is here:
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On 26/11/2019 20:10, Paul Moore wrote:
> Paul Moore added the comment:
>
>> replacement platform_tag, not compatibility tag.
> Ah, I see, sorry. In that case, this should be fine, it's purely a CPython
> question. There's obviously a follow-o
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On 11/26/19 10:24 AM, Pycode wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:20:11 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:51:36 + (UTC), Pycode
>> declaimed the following:
>>
>>> which keywords should i use for web-search? do you have a list?
>>> what is the best "manual" for the
On 11/26/19 11:57 AM, Pycode wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 04:35:10 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 4:26 AM Pycode wrote:
>>> asking offtopic question,
>>> can you give a few guides that teach how to search the web?
>>>
>> At this point, I'm starting to be quite confused as
Michael Felt added the comment:
On 22/11/2019 10:42, Paul Moore wrote:
> Paul Moore added the comment:
>
> PyPA member here - if this PR is defining new compatibility tags,
replacement platform_tag, not compatibility tag.
> I would have expected it to need discussion as a revisio
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@paul.moore - thanks for the comment.
I am trying to work from both
https://packaging.python.org/specifications/platform-compatibility-tags/ which
describes in a few words the goals of PEP425.
As to the PEP425 itself, it does not specify what a tag looks
Michael Felt added the comment:
And the other AIX bot has been repaired, and is running green as well!
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FYI One AIX bot seems to be having support issues atm (and stays red), but the
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a) - thanks Ned, for the kind words.
b) - the proposed (change to the tag) is "AIX.VRTL.YYWW.SZ".
"AIX" - in caps, to distinguish from current tag starting as "aix"
VRTL - 4 digit number, one digit for Version, one digi
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On 11/19/19 10:12 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Feel free to post code showing that it can be done. The extension is
> RPi.GPIO, the method is "output", and the extra argument is the pinnaming
> scheme (BCM or BOARD). Success! :-p
If you mentioned RPi.GPIO before, I apologize for my mistake. That's
On 11/19/19 9:00 AM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Sure but the Python methods themselves are exposed and accessible and
> according to your previous posts,
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On 11/19/19 12:57 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> First things first: For some reason I see your message coming in empty, but
> with two attachments. An "att*.txt" one with the actual message contents,
> and a "signature.asc". Makes it kind of hard to read ...
His message is a (standard) PGP-signed
On 11/19/19 1:09 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Michael
>
>> Does this have to be done in the C API?
>
> As far as I can tell, yes. What I need to do is not exposed by the
> extension itself, meaning that a wrapper class can't get access to it
> either.
Sure but the P
On 11/18/19 1:15 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> The thing is that the arguments of py_proc1 and py_proc2 are the same, but
> for a single argument.
Does this have to be done in the C API? Depending on how this class is
used in your Python code, I would just create a new Python class that
extends this
Michael Felt added the comment:
FYI: I loaded the pr just now and tested on AIX.
$ ./python -m test test_fcntl
0:00:00 Run tests sequentially
0:00:00 [1/1] test_fcntl
== Tests result: SUCCESS ==
1 test OK.
Total duration: 767 ms
Tests result: SUCCESS
$ git status
On branch pr_17154
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apologies.
I'll be patient.
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Could PR17010 be reverted?
For 10 days now several bots, AIX and x86-64 High Sierra - afaik, are failing
the tests.
re: https://bugs.python.org/issue22367#msg356614 - while that may address High
Sierra, it does not address AIX.
See message https
On 11/15/19 5:28 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> :-) Although that is how we humans remember the effect of what we do, there
> is no reason for a programming language to do it exactly like that. And
> sometimes they don't.
So, in effect he's saying not all languages use the classic variable
model,
On 11/15/19 4:56 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
>> Well I've only seen this done in languages where other mechanisms
>> for returning complex types are not present.
>
> :-) Than you have not seen to many languages I'm afraid.
Careful there.
> If I would have wanted that, why would I post here with open
Michael Felt added the comment:
@corona10
The AIX bot's are also in the red zone with PR17010.
This was examined earlier See: https://bugs.python.org/issue35633#msg333662
In short, the recommendation by Victor was to skip the test: quote:
> On AIX the test for flock() passes, but the t
On 11/14/19 2:13 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Too bad that the Pi has no free hardware that can be abused for stuff like
> this (like a serial port in synchronous mode).
An arduino working in conjunction with the Pi can fill in the gaps. At
one time you could buy an arduino board that was also a Pi
On 11/14/19 2:16 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
> I think I did - though implicitily. What do normal people use "by
> reference" arguments for ? Yep, that is what I wanted too.
Well I've only seen this done in languages where other mechanisms for
returning complex types are not present. For example in
Michael Yagliyan added the comment:
If this documentation fix will not be backported (i.e. it will only apply to
versions *after* the aforementioned bug fix) then a more precise way to phrase
that last part would be:
"...with the first 2 elements being 0 and the last being an all
New submission from Michael Yagliyan :
For versions 2.7 through 3.9 of https://docs.python.org/3/library/os.html,
os.WNOHANG is described as returning (0, 0) when no child process status is
immediately available.
However, both os.wait3() and os.wait4() return 3-element tuples
On 11/14/19 10:57 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> The trick seems to be to emulate a "by reference" call, by using a mutable
> object as the argument and stuff the value inside of it (IIRC a tuple with a
> single element).
I note that you didn't answer the question, what are you trying to
accomplish? In
On 11/14/19 10:57 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
>> I know of no sane way that a function could work with the scope of
>> any arbitrary caller.
>
> The trick seems to be to emulate a "by reference" call, by using a mutable
> object as the argument and stuff the value inside of it (IIRC a tuple with a
>
On 11/14/19 7:15 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Too bad though, it means that procedures that want to share/use its callers
> variables using nonlocal can never be called from main. And that a caller
> of a procedure using nonlocal cannot have the variable declared as global
> (just tested it).
As always, keep your messages on the mailing list so others can benefit.
On 11/12/19 7:02 AM, Jack Gilbert wrote:
>
> . how do I get the PY program onto my desktop?
Not quite sure what you mean. Python programs are saved into text files
which you can store anywhere you want. Save them to the
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Sorry, its my bad, it is correct as it is, I hadn't read further on about the
print statement being needed. As I am working through the tutorial in pycharm,
I am had already used print statement.
Thanks
New submission from Michael H :
https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/introduction.html#strings
In the strings part of the basic tutorial, there is an output error regarding
the escaping of the single quote
>>> '"Isn\'t," they said.'
'"Isn\'t," they said.' # I think
On 11/11/19 9:49 PM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote:
> Someone requested my answer to the question: "Can we use Python for
> hacking?"
Sigh. I suppose it's a lost battle to reclaim that word.
Most of what I do with Python is hacking but likely not as you are using
the word. Most recently I
On 11/11/19 12:07 PM, Jack Gilbert wrote:
> Here's the deal, I have loaded both, one at a time, 3.7.2, and tried 3.8.0,
> separately, when I go to open the program to run I get the same message,
> Each time and for each version I get a Setup window. asking to modify,
> repair, or uninstall, I usu
On 11/9/19 5:09 PM, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> I thought recent versions of Win10 had a full Ubuntu subsystem. Before
> that, doesn't something like Cygwin still exist/work?
Sure you can install Ubuntu into the WSL2 system, but it's not like you
can use that to script things back into Windows land.
On 11/6/19 9:16 AM, Spencer Du wrote:
> I just wanted a way to import at least two python files in parallel
> and I wanted to know how this can be done or a reason why its bad as
> stated in another post.
It's not "bad," but it's also not possible. Nor does it make sense.
That's why so many
On 11/4/19 4:11 PM, Hongyi Zhao wrote:
> Is there some python libary for edit iso file drectly?
Isn't an ISO image a read-only sort of thing? If you want to modify
files don't you have to create a whole new image?
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On 31/10/2019 00:17, Larry Hastings wrote:
>
>
> Due to awkward CDN caching, some users who downloaded the source code
> tarballs of Python 3.5.8 got a preliminary version instead of the
> final version. As best as we can tell, this only affects the .xz
> release; there are no known instances of
On 31/10/2019 00:17, Larry Hastings wrote:
>
>
> Due to awkward CDN caching, some users who downloaded the source code
> tarballs of Python 3.5.8 got a preliminary version instead of the
> final version. As best as we can tell, this only affects the .xz
> release; there are no known instances of
New submission from Michael Zhang :
Discovered this while trying to use a function in `boto3`. Seems like when
tzlocal() is passed with a 0 to datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(), it throws an
"[Errno 22] Invalid argument" error. Using 3.7.4 via Anaconda on Windows 10,
and tzlocal()
On 10/25/19 9:19 AM, joseph pareti wrote:
> but can it be generalized?
> Not all tags are in the form ofto just replace those tags in the code, should
> one process a different website?
Not really, no. There is not an easy way to generalize this sort of web
scraping. There are many
Michael Felt added the comment:
Please let me be much more specific.
This specific bot failure is from when I ran the bot using XLC as a compiler.
Because I could not solve it on my own, and did not get any hints in time (see
issue35828) Since my work schedule intensified I switched the bot
New submission from Michael Jaquier :
x = [1,2,3]
Case (1)
*b, = x
*b == [1, 2, 3]
Case(2)
*b, _ = x
b = [1,2]
Is it not more logical for this to give consistent values regardless.
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*b, = [1,2,3] ; b == [1,2]
*b, _ = [1,3,2] ; b == [1,2] ; _ == [3]
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On 10/14/19 10:00 AM, Michael Torrie wrote:
> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/issues/403
>
> Whatever you do, you probably will want to discuss it on the github
> issue tracker to make sure efforts aren't duplicated.
Reading further, it appears that the binding and embedding
On 10/14/19 8:52 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I think thats the obvious path forward. Once ported, we don't have to
> worry about that legacy stuff for two or 3 generations of linux.
A worthy goal and I'm sure the LinuxCNC folk would be grateful for
contributions. Be aware that porting the python
On 10/10/19 1:21 AM, Pankaj Jangid wrote:
> So the scripts will just work fine if you simply use ~import pip~
> and work with it.
>
> Suppose you were writing bash scripts around python programs. Then
> what will be the behaviour of,
>
> pip2 install mod
>
> under a python3 environment.
If
On 10/10/19 9:47 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> What I want is a "simple" program to calculate and display the
> "natural time", and do so on my phone.
>
> "A simple program" to divide the amount of "today's" daylight into 12
> even '"hours", so that Dawn begins the First hour, the third hour is
>
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On 10/4/19 8:59 AM, Daniel wrote:
> How to do a code to print to paper? please post here a "Hello World"
> code to be printed on paper with an inkjet.
What operating system? Are you using a graphical UI toolkit or is this a
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On 10/3/19 1:10 PM, Doris Marca Guaraca wrote:
>
> Hello, I'm sorry to bother you, I just reviewed this post, the Python
> beginner, the Linux beginner, needs to run spamassassin, and now I'm trying
> to do something very similar with a Python script is for a project, maybe you
> can help me
On 10/3/19 8:15 AM, James Lu wrote:
> I would use IPython as a scripting language. It has a slow startup time
> though.
Lately I've been using Xonsh, which is a much more comfortable
application of Python to shell scripting than anything else I've tried.
Occasionally subprocess mode selection vs
Michael Everitt added the comment:
Attached patch seems to fix build with python3.6 withh uclibc-ng.
Tested on x86_64 and ARMv6zk.
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On 10/1/19 9:51 AM, Spencer Du wrote:
> Hi
> How can I set the value of the textedit box and slider of ui with the value
> from a config file when it has been created meaning if a configuration file
> exists then set the UI with value from the config file otherwise load ui with
> nothing set to
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May have confused the '_readline' extension with the '_ncurses' extension ..
apologies!
attaching build.log from x86_64.
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tinfo library detection as part of ncurses is inconsistent, and causes build
failure when expected symbols aren't found at link-time.
This breaks compilation of the 'readline' module as the attached log shows.
It seems to work in some configurations
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I've fixed the documentation according to the thread.
Here's the PR: GH-16463
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@ned.deily any thoughts?
I can start working on it.
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Committed a PR: GH-16458
I've read all of the thread and changed the docstring to the latest suggestion
by @zach.ware
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Fixed this issue since the CLA of the past user wasn't signed.
Added a check for the socket type in each of the methods:
sock_recv, sock_recv_into, sock_sendall, sock_connect, sock_accept.
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Ido Michael added the comment:
Hey Remi,
I've fixed it and created PR on the issue.
Ido
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