Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-06 Thread mbg1708
On Tuesday, 4 November 2014 16:49:36 UTC, françai s wrote: > I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. > > It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level > of programming that you can write is in hex code? > > What is the lowest level of programm

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-06 Thread William Ray Wing
> On Nov 5, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Clayton Kirkwood wrote: > > Yeah, the 11 was mesmerizing. You didn't need no stinkin' program to see how > busy the system was, you just checked the lights. You could really tell when > somebody was compiling or link/loading. As I've done many times since those > da

RE: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-06 Thread Clayton Kirkwood
:python-list- >bounces+crk=godblessthe...@python.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Simpson >Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 2:28 PM >To: python-list@python.org >Subject: Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary >code, the lowest level of programming that you can wr

Re:[OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Dave Angel
françai s Wrote in message: > I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. > > It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level > of programming that you can write is in hex code? > > What is the lowest level of programming computers that you can writ

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Nov2014 18:09, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: Bah! He asked if there were lower levels than binary. Ergo: chip design! (And microcode, the intermediate layer. Or one of the layers, depending where you draw the line.) Should we stop before we r

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: > Bah! He asked if there were lower levels than binary. Ergo: chip design! > (And microcode, the intermediate layer. Or one of the layers, depending > where you draw the line.) Should we stop before we reach the quantum foam of > spacetime?

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Nov2014 15:38, Denis McMahon wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:30:06 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: If you have an old system with front-panel toggle switches, you set the switches for binary values, and then push the "enter" switch. You've booted a PDP-8 then ;) Not me, but I hav

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread MRAB
On 2014-11-05 02:30, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 13:45:32 -0300, françai s declaimed the following: I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is i

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Denis McMahon
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:30:06 -0500, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > If you have an old system with front-panel toggle switches, you set the > switches for binary values, and then push the "enter" switch. You've booted a PDP-8 then ;) -- Denis McMahon, denismfmcma...@gmail.com -- https://mail

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-11-05, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > >> "machine code" typically implies an instruction set specific >> to that machine... ALL computers operate in BINARY logic (a bit only >> holds 0 or 1). How you get those bits into the computer is >

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-05 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-05, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > "machine code" typically implies an instruction set specific > to that machine... ALL computers operate in BINARY logic (a bit only > holds 0 or 1). How you get those bits into the computer is > irrelevant. Just to muddy the water... _Most_ parts of mo

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: > Bah! He asked if there were lower levels than binary. Ergo: chip design! > (And microcode, the intermediate layer. Or one of the layers, depending > where you draw the line.) Should we stop before we reach the quantum foam of > spacetime? C

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 04Nov2014 11:24, sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:51:53 AM UTC-8, ast wrote: a écrit dans le message de news:e5c95792-f81f-42b4-9996-5545f5607...@googlegroups.com... On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote: >I can't think of any reason why

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > "machine code" typically implies an instruction set specific to that > machine... ALL computers operate in BINARY logic (a bit only holds 0 or 1). > How you get those bits into the computer is irrelevant. Bah, those zeroes and one

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Theo van Werkhoven
You could go to and get the Altair 8800 or IMSAI 8080 emulator. Run the program and toggle in binary code for these easy to use 8 bit processors. There's a short manual for the IMSAI on the same page and the manual plus instruction s

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-04, ast wrote: > > a écrit dans le message de > news:e5c95792-f81f-42b4-9996-5545f5607...@googlegroups.com... > On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote: > > >>I can't think of any reason why someone would WANT >>to program in binary/hex machine code. > > It happe

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Tobiah
On 11/04/2014 08:45 AM, françai s wrote: I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code? What is the lowest level of programming computers that you can wr

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread sohcahtoa82
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:51:53 AM UTC-8, ast wrote: > a écrit dans le message de > news:e5c95792-f81f-42b4-9996-5545f5607...@googlegroups.com... > On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote: > > > >I can't think of any reason why someone would WANT > >to program in bi

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread ast
a écrit dans le message de news:e5c95792-f81f-42b4-9996-5545f5607...@googlegroups.com... On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote: I can't think of any reason why someone would WANT to program in binary/hex machine code. It happens if you design yourself a specialize

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread sohcahtoa82
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:49:36 AM UTC-8, françai s wrote: > I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. > > It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level > of programming that you can write is in hex code? > > What is the lowest level of prog

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread sjmsoft
Grant's statements are correct and his advice is sound. I would not waste my time writing machine code, even as a hobby (and not even if your other hobbies include juggling chain saws). It's too time-consuming, tedious, bug-prone, and eyeglass-prescription-enhancing. Programming in assembly la

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Rustom Mody
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:19:36 PM UTC+5:30, françai s wrote: > I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. > > It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level > of programming that you can write is in hex code? > > What is the lowest level of

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-11-04, françai s wrote: > I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. > > It is true that is impossible write in binary code, No. You can write in binary if you want. If I were going to do something like that I'd pick a CPU like a PDP11 with a nice simple, reg

[OFF-TOPIC] It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code?

2014-11-04 Thread françai s
I intend to write in lowest level of computer programming as a hobby. It is true that is impossible write in binary code, the lowest level of programming that you can write is in hex code? What is the lowest level of programming computers that you can write ? Is binary code? Is hex code? Is an