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2012-11-30 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
- Original Message - > Well I knew that this works fine, even if I feel a bit guilty to do > this, and better is: > > foo = 'bar' if some_condition else 'baz' > > Anyway for me the suprise is that something that is defined *later* > at > the module scope is found in a function which is de

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- Original Message - > 2012/11/30 andrea crotti : > > Already changing it to: > > def record_things(): > out.write("Hello world") > > def main(): > with open('output', 'w') as out: > record_things() > > if __name__ == '__main__': > main() > > makes it stops workin

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- Original Message - > I wrote a script, refactored it and then introducing a bug as below: > > def record_things(): > out.write("Hello world") > > if __name__ == '__main__': > with open('output', 'w') as out: > record_things() > > > but the shocking thing is that it did

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2011-02-21 Thread Mark Dickinson
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In article <87oc679bl2@benfinney.id.au>, Ben Finney wrote: > Raymond Hettinger writes: > > > Compute � � e by counting Mandlebrot set iterations :-) > > Very cool! I love � nerdery. > > > Raymond Hettinger writes: > > > > Compute ð ± e by counting Mandlebrot set iterations :-)

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2011-02-20 Thread Steven D'Aprano
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:42:17 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Raymond Hettinger writes: > >> Compute π ± e by counting Mandlebrot set iterations :-) > > Very cool! I love π nerdery. > > > Raymond Hettinger writes: > >> > Compute ð ± e by counting Mandlebrot set iterations :-) >> >> That should be

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Re: Rebinding stdout (was: Re: Python! Is! Truly! Amazing!)

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Re: Rebinding stdout (was: Re: Python! Is! Truly! Amazing!)

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(Not sure if my other message arrived) I am guilty of using this idiom, too. The standard library http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/lib/module-sys.html#l2h-396 says: """ __stdin__ __stdout__ __stderr__ These objects contain the original values of stdin, stderr and stdout at the start of the p

Re: Rebinding stdout (was: Re: Python! Is! Truly! Amazing!)

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Just wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Simo Melenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've sometimes replaced sys.stdout (and/or sys.stderr) to > > capture/redirect debugging information in existing code that has > > unwisely just "print"ed error and warning messages, instead of using >

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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Simo Melenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've sometimes replaced sys.stdout (and/or sys.stderr) to > capture/redirect debugging information in existing code that has > unwisely just "print"ed error and warning messages, instead of using > sys.stderr or error logg

Re: Rebinding stdout (was: Re: Python! Is! Truly! Amazing!)

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