On 2021-01-13 at 21:41:26 -0600,
Python wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:27:19PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:11 PM Python wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 06:43:39PM -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > > And those X11 users will swear at you if you
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 03:02:05PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 2:43 PM Python wrote:
> > > it is far FAR better to put control in the user's hands
> >
> > I love how you dismissed that the semantics I described gives MORE
> > control to the user, not less, without
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 2:43 PM Python wrote:
> > it is far FAR better to put control in the user's hands
>
> I love how you dismissed that the semantics I described gives MORE
> control to the user, not less, without actually sacrificing anything.
Actually, you give control to the application,
Hi, David,
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:24 PM David L Neil via Python-list
wrote:
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> On 14/01/2021 15.25, boB Stepp wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:28 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> >> I love how "I think" is allowed to trump decades of usability research.
>
> I'm just pleased that @Chris
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:27:19PM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:11 PM Python wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 06:43:39PM -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > And those X11 users will swear at you if you override their window
> > > managers configured window
Chris,
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:12 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 1:05 PM Igor Korot wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:45 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:39 PM Igor Korot wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chris,
> > > >
> > > >
On 14/01/2021 15.25, boB Stepp wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:28 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I love how "I think" is allowed to trump decades of usability research.
I'm just pleased that @Chris has found love!
(not detracting from the point though)
> Can you recommend a good reference
On 14/01/2021 15.25, boB Stepp wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:28 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I love how "I think" is allowed to trump decades of usability research.
I'm just pleased that @Chris has found love!
(not detracting from the point though)
> Can you recommend a good reference
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:28 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> I love how "I think" is allowed to trump decades of usability research.
Can you recommend a good reference for someone relatively new to GUI
programming that is based on such research? Book or web reference
would be fine.
Cheers!
boB
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 1:05 PM Igor Korot wrote:
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> Chris,
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:45 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:39 PM Igor Korot wrote:
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 14,
Chris,
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:45 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:39 PM Igor Korot wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:18 PM Python wrote:
> > > > > The results will differ based
On 14/01/21 1:58 pm, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:53 AM Python wrote:
I believe it is or was quite common
for large, integrated applications like DAWs, graphical design
software, etc. to remember where you placed your various floating
toolbars and add-ons
Not just large,
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:39 PM Igor Korot wrote:
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> Chris,
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:18 PM Python wrote:
> > > > The results will differ based on whether the user in question has
> > > > basically just one primary application
Chris,
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:33 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:18 PM Python wrote:
> > > The results will differ based on whether the user in question has
> > > basically just one primary application (an IDE, or some gigantic app
> > > like Adobe PhotoShop) that
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:18 PM Python wrote:
> > The results will differ based on whether the user in question has
> > basically just one primary application (an IDE, or some gigantic app
> > like Adobe PhotoShop) that they spend all their time in
>
> OK, so you admit that such apps do exist.
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:20 PM Python wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:58:34AM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:53 AM Python wrote:
> > Have you actually done any research by (a) asking people what they
> > actually prefer, and better still (b) silently
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:11 PM Python wrote:
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> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 06:43:39PM -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > And those X11 users will swear at you if you override their window
> > managers configured window placement. Application code should not care
> > about or try to control window
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:12 PM Python wrote:
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> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 06:43:39PM -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > And those X11 users will swear at you if you override their window
> > managers configured window placement. Application code should not care
> > about or try to control
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:58:34AM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:53 AM Python wrote:
> Have you actually done any research by (a) asking people what they
> actually prefer, and better still (b) silently watching over someone's
> shoulder and seeing which one makes
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 06:43:39PM -, Grant Edwards wrote:
> And those X11 users will swear at you if you override their window
> managers configured window placement. Application code should not care
> about or try to control window geometry. Period.
I think this is just plain wrong. If
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:53 AM Python wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:07:23AM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM Igor Korot wrote:
> > > But for my dialogs (especially for dialogs where I need to ask for
> > > credentials) - I don't think I want
> > > WM to
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:07:23AM +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM Igor Korot wrote:
> > But for my dialogs (especially for dialogs where I need to ask for
> > credentials) - I don't think I want
> > WM to do my job.
> >
> > Again - we are talking positioning here
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:02 AM Igor Korot wrote:
> But for my dialogs (especially for dialogs where I need to ask for
> credentials) - I don't think I want
> WM to do my job.
>
> Again - we are talking positioning here and not size/client size.
>
And I don't think I want you to do the WM's
Chris,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:38 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:30 AM Igor Korot wrote:
> >
> > Not sure I follow - frame is a TLW. Dialog is a TLW.
> > Program flow is as follows:
> >
> > 1. Program starts with a frame
> > 2. At some point the user asks to connect to
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:30 AM Igor Korot wrote:
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> Not sure I follow - frame is a TLW. Dialog is a TLW.
> Program flow is as follows:
>
> 1. Program starts with a frame
> 2. At some point the user asks to connect to the database.
> 3. Credentials dialog is shown.
>
> Now, while frame is TLW
Hi, Chris,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:05 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:00 AM Igor Korot wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Chris,
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:33 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 6:18 AM Igor Korot wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Grant,
> >
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:00 AM Igor Korot wrote:
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> Hi, Chris,
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:33 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 6:18 AM Igor Korot wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Grant,
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:47 PM Grant Edwards
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On
Hi, Chris,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:33 PM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 6:18 AM Igor Korot wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Grant,
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:47 PM Grant Edwards
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2021-01-12, Rich Shepard wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Igor Korot
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 6:18 AM Igor Korot wrote:
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> Hi, Grant,
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:47 PM Grant Edwards
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2021-01-12, Rich Shepard wrote:
> > > On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Igor Korot wrote:
> > >
> > >> Keep in mind that if you target Linux, the "modern" window server
> >
Hi, Rich,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:52 PM Rich Shepard wrote:
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> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Igor Korot wrote:
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> > Maybe. :-)
> > But it looks Wayland becomes more and more popular.
>
> Igor,
>
> What I've read from those struggling to use Wayland, it may turn out to be a
> popular as systemd. :-)
Hi, Grant,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 12:47 PM Grant Edwards
wrote:
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> On 2021-01-12, Rich Shepard wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Igor Korot wrote:
> >
> >> Keep in mind that if you target Linux, the "modern" window server
> >> (Wayland) will not allow user code to decide the positioning and
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Grant Edwards wrote:
And those X11 users will swear at you if you override their window
managers configured window placement. Application code should not care
about or try to control window geometry. Period.
Grant,
Since this application is my own business use those
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Igor Korot wrote:
Maybe. :-)
But it looks Wayland becomes more and more popular.
Igor,
What I've read from those struggling to use Wayland, it may turn out to be a
popular as systemd. :-)
It's important to remember that while all progress involves change, not all
change
On 2021-01-12, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Igor Korot wrote:
>
>> Keep in mind that if you target Linux, the "modern" window server
>> (Wayland) will not allow user code to decide the positioning and size of
>> the TLW.
>
> Igor,
>
> I suspect that Slackware will continue with X11.
In comp.lang.python, Rich Shepard wrote:
>> Keep in mind that if you target Linux, the "modern" window server
>> (Wayland) will not allow user code to decide the positioning and size of
> I suspect that Slackware will continue with X11.
Even with traditional X11, geometry is "preferred" size
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 11:44 AM Rich Shepard
wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Igor Korot wrote:
>
> > Keep in mind that if you target Linux, the "modern" window server
> > (Wayland) will not allow user code to decide the positioning and size of
> > the TLW.
>
> Igor,
>
> I suspect that
On Tue, 12 Jan 2021, Igor Korot wrote:
Keep in mind that if you target Linux, the "modern" window server
(Wayland) will not allow user code to decide the positioning and size of
the TLW.
Igor,
I suspect that Slackware will continue with X11.
Rich
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021, Chris Angelico wrote:
Do the offsets need to be integers?
ChrisA,
Yep. I totally missed that.
Thanks for seeing it.
Stay well,
Rich
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Hi,
On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:47 AM Chris Angelico wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 3:38 AM Rich Shepard wrote:
> >
> > I want my application's window (main frame) to open centered on the
> > monitor's screen.
Keep in mind that if you target Linux, the "modern" window server (Wayland)
will
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 3:38 AM Rich Shepard wrote:
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> I want my application's window (main frame) to open centered on the
> monitor's screen. This code:
> # open application centered on screen; set window width and height
> self.appwidth = 600
> self.appheight = 500
>
I want my application's window (main frame) to open centered on the
monitor's screen. This code:
# open application centered on screen; set window width and height
self.appwidth = 600
self.appheight = 500
# get screen width and height
self.scrwidth =
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