Re: Amber Brown: Batteries Included, But They're Leaking

2019-05-19 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/19/2019 5:34 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: By the way, I'm working on removing some dead battieres since last year, see proto PEP https://github.com/tiran/peps/blob/oldbatteries/pep-.rst and LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/755229/ Hooray! I believe that there are other modules, oth

Re: Amber Brown: Batteries Included, But They're Leaking

2019-05-19 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/19/2019 4:48 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 5:41 AM John Ladasky wrote: On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 2:21:59 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote: http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2019/05/amber-brown-batteries-included-but.html This was a controversial talk at the Python language

Re: Amber Brown: Batteries Included, But They're Leaking

2019-05-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 7:38 AM Christian Heimes wrote: > > On 19/05/2019 22.48, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> the sslmodule requires a monkeypatch to connect to non-ASCII domain names, > > It's not correct. There were some bugs in IDNA support in the SSL > module. Nathaniel and I worked on the topic

Re: Amber Brown: Batteries Included, But They're Leaking

2019-05-19 Thread Christian Heimes
On 19/05/2019 22.48, Chris Angelico wrote: >> the sslmodule requires a monkeypatch to connect to non-ASCII domain names, It's not correct. There were some bugs in IDNA support in the SSL module. Nathaniel and I worked on the topic and fixed it in 3.7, see https://bugs.python.org/issue28414 Python

Re: Amber Brown: Batteries Included, But They're Leaking

2019-05-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 5:41 AM John Ladasky wrote: > > On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 2:21:59 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote: > > http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2019/05/amber-brown-batteries-included-but.html > > > > This was a controversial talk at the Python language su

Re: Amber Brown: Batteries Included, But They're Leaking

2019-05-19 Thread John Ladasky
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 2:21:59 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote: > http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2019/05/amber-brown-batteries-included-but.html > > This was a controversial talk at the Python language summit, giving > various criticisms of Python's standard library, I will try

Batteries Included...

2008-04-21 Thread Ant
Today's XKCD comic has a nice Python reference! http://xkcd.com/413/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: batteries included

2006-10-25 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Could someone confirm that modules like socket don't use libraries/ > dlls on a particular OS, they are completly self contained. They might need DLLs, but if so they ship with the distribution. Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

batteries included

2006-10-25 Thread marc . wyburn
Could someone confirm that modules like socket don't use libraries/ dlls on a particular OS, they are completly self contained. Thanks, Marc. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: the whole 'batteries included' idea

2006-04-21 Thread Ben Sizer
John Salerno wrote: > Pardon my naivety, you would think maybe I'd understand this by now, but > I've always kind of wondered about it. I've been curious why one of the > biggest points used to promote Python is that it has "batteries > included." True, this

Re: the whole 'batteries included' idea

2006-04-20 Thread Jarek Zgoda
different about other languages' libraries/frameworks > that makes Python's different, and worthy of being touted as 'batteries > included'? I can speak only for Java -- its batteries are not included, you have to download jakarta-commons plus (since Python 2.5) JDOM to ge

Re: the whole 'batteries included' idea

2006-04-20 Thread Larry Bates
John Salerno wrote: > Pardon my naivety, you would think maybe I'd understand this by now, but > I've always kind of wondered about it. I've been curious why one of the > biggest points used to promote Python is that it has "batteries > included." True, this

the whole 'batteries included' idea

2006-04-20 Thread John Salerno
Pardon my naivety, you would think maybe I'd understand this by now, but I've always kind of wondered about it. I've been curious why one of the biggest points used to promote Python is that it has "batteries included." True, this is a great feature, but the way it'

Re: Batteries Included?

2005-10-11 Thread Paul Rubin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Because you can't run it yourself? If you cannot run the > freshly-made exe yourself, why would you want to distrubute it, > without even trying? But if you can, then you can run the InnoSetup > as well. Obviously I'd want someone to test the .exe before putting it in

Re: Batteries Included?

2005-10-11 Thread en.karpachov
On 11 Oct 2005 00:10:01 -0700 Paul Rubin wrote: > Personally I think including a .exe packager in Python would be a > great idea. As a Linux user I can't easily run Windows-specific > utilities like Inno Setup. So I don't have a good way to make .exe's > from my Python code that Windows users ca

Re: Batteries Included?

2005-10-11 Thread Marco Aschwanden
> I might be wrong expecting that a language whose > moto is "Batteries Included" would be able to produce exe files. Are > there plans to do this in the future version of Python? Yes, you are wrong expecting that. Creating an exe-cutable is windows specific and python _tr

Re: Batteries Included?

2005-10-11 Thread Michele Simionato
Mike Meyer: > After you create a setup.py file for you program, doing > > "python setup.py bdist --formats=wininst" > > should do the trick. > > Of course, I don't own a Windows box, so I can't check it, but when I > ask a setup file for help on formats, it tells me the wininst format > is

Re: Batteries Included?

2005-10-11 Thread Paul Rubin
Sybren Stuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I might be wrong expecting that a language whose moto is "Batteries > > Included" would be able to produce exe files. > > Indeed, you're wrong. Why would such an ability be included in Python? distutils.exe, in

Re: Batteries Included?

2005-10-11 Thread Mike Meyer
"Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One of the first things I wanted to do when I start learning Python was > to produce a simple standalone application that I could distribute to > my users (windows users). Python's moto is "Batteries Included", but

Re: Batteries Included?

2005-10-10 Thread Sybren Stuvel
Alex enlightened us with: > Python's moto is "Batteries Included", but where are the batteries > for making exe files and making an installer file? Those aren't "batteries". Those are things you can do with the program, but are outside the programming languag

Batteries Included?

2005-10-10 Thread Alex
One of the first things I wanted to do when I start learning Python was to produce a simple standalone application that I could distribute to my users (windows users). Python's moto is "Batteries Included", but where are the batteries for making exe files and making an installer