Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-15 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > not what I said or advocated. pointing out that breaking captchas is good > for accessibility issues it not the same as being pro spambot. it may have > that effect but it is not the same thing. I don't care, frankly. I'm still not goin

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-15 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On 8/14/2014 7:19 PM, Denis McMahon wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:39:20 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: you are clear but also missing a really good reason to break captchas. handicapped accessibility. Captchas are a huge barrier to access and in many cases push disabled users away from using

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-15 Thread Michael Torrie
On 08/13/2014 02:18 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Tim Chase > wrote: >> On 2014-08-13 12:24, Chris Kaynor wrote: >>> Many of the better captchas also include options for an audio cue in >>> addition to the default visual one. >> >> Have you actually tried to use the audio

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-15 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 15/08/2014 08:03, alex23 wrote: On 15/08/2014 5:43 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: On 8/14/2014 2:37 PM, Peter Pearson wrote: "Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone?" and responses on this list alone show problems with detecting sarcasm (or snark). It can be especiall

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-15 Thread alex23
On 15/08/2014 5:43 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: On 8/14/2014 2:37 PM, Peter Pearson wrote: "Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone?" and responses on this list alone show problems with detecting sarcasm (or snark). It can be especially difficult for people on the autism

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-14 Thread Ben Finney
Denis McMahon writes: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:36:21 -0700, Wesley wrote: > > > […] > We tried polite, it didn't work, now I'm trying robustness and > profanity. The thread has been inactive for days, so it seems politeness *did* in fact work. Escalating to violent indimidating language (regar

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-14 Thread Denis McMahon
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:36:21 -0700, Wesley wrote: > I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. OK, the general suggestion is that you take your spambot software, print it out on spiky metal sheets and ram it up your rectum. > Why I need to write such program is just having such re

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-14 Thread Denis McMahon
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:39:20 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > you are clear but also missing a really good reason to break captchas. > handicapped accessibility. Captchas are a huge barrier to access and in > many cases push disabled users away from using a service with captchas. That's as may

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-14 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Peter Pearson wrote: > "Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone?" "You have a sarcasm sign?" http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e58f/ ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-14 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On 8/14/2014 2:37 PM, Peter Pearson wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:16:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: . . . and as computers get more powerful the intersection of {problems machines can't solve} and {problems humans can reliably solve} grows ever smaller. "Which of the following eight sentences are

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Peter Pearson wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:16:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> >> . . . and as computers get more powerful the intersection >> of {problems machines can't solve} and {problems humans can reliably >> solve} grows ever smaller. > > "Which of the fol

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-14 Thread Peter Pearson
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:16:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > > . . . and as computers get more powerful the intersection > of {problems machines can't solve} and {problems humans can reliably > solve} grows ever smaller. "Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone?" -- To email me,

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-14 Thread alister
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:39:20 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > On 8/12/2014 9:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Wesley wrote: >>> If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just >>> ignore. >>> I just wanna a general suggestion here in the be

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> There are alternatives that are both easier for legit people and >> harder for spambots. Some rely on the fact that humans read things two >> dimensionally, and scripts look at the underl

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Tim Chase wrote: > On 2014-08-13 12:24, Chris Kaynor wrote: >> Many of the better captchas also include options for an audio cue in >> addition to the default visual one. > > Have you actually tried to use the audio cue? They're atrocious. I > got more intelligib

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On 8/13/2014 3:27 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: I agree with you, and I don't use CAPTCHAs on any of my services, anywhere, and never have. (Partly because they *are* broken by people writing scripts, and/or by just grinding them with human solvers; but also because of the problems they cause for le

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > There are alternatives that are both easier for legit people and > harder for spambots. Some rely on the fact that humans read things two > dimensionally, and scripts look at the underlying structure; so, for > instance, random field names a

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Tim Chase
On 2014-08-13 12:24, Chris Kaynor wrote: > Many of the better captchas also include options for an audio cue in > addition to the default visual one. Have you actually tried to use the audio cue? They're atrocious. I got more intelligible words out of my old 8-bit SoundBlaster or a de-tuned radi

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Skip Montanaro
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Joel Goldstick wrote: > I wrote a sample form page with a simple math problem to solve -- 2 or > 3 random small integers to add ... I've also seen challenge systems where they present you with a small set of images and ask you to select one with a particular prope

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Joel Goldstick
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Chris Kaynor wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: >> >> eliminate captchas, 35+million disabled people would thank you as would >> many more millions of the not-yet-disabled like your future self. > > > And so would the spammers, whic

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Chris Kaynor wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: >> >> eliminate captchas, 35+million disabled people would thank you as would >> many more millions of the not-yet-disabled like your future self. > > > And so would the spammers, whic

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Chris Kaynor
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > eliminate captchas, 35+million disabled people would thank you as would > many more millions of the not-yet-disabled like your future self. And so would the spammers, which is who captchas are trying to block. For ease-of-use, most si

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > you are clear but also missing a really good reason to break captchas. > handicapped accessibility. Captchas are a huge barrier to access and in > many cases push disabled users away from using a service with captchas. > For me (very ac

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Eric S. Johansson
On 8/12/2014 9:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Wesley wrote: If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements,

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> I need it for stuff, so dont worry > > :-) > > You'll only use it for good, right? He needs it for stuffing. Remind me to decline any invitation to turkey dinner that he sends. ChrisA -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-l

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Steven D'Aprano
Rob Gaddi wrote: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:36:21 -0700 (PDT) > Wesley wrote: > >> If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just >> ignore. I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. >> Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and >>

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-13 Thread Rob Gaddi
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Wesley wrote: > If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. > I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. > Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and has > nothing to do with the

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-12 Thread Ben Finney
Wesley writes: > If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just > ignore. You seek to dismiss the valid concerns by calling them “not so happy”. You assert it is questions we object to, when we are clearly objecting to your intentions. Don't be disingenuous. The respons

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Wesley wrote: > If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. > I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. > Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and has > nothing to do with the coding

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-12 Thread Wesley
If my questions make you guys not so happy, I am sorry and please just ignore. I just wanna a general suggestion here in the beginning. Why I need to write such program is just having such requirements, and has nothing to do with the coding work itself. Don't say something to prove you're so nobl

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Denis McMahon wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 01:06:47 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Let me spell it out for you: NO WE WILL NOT do this for you. And if you >> do it yourself, we will not be happy. Just don't. > > Chris, I suspect he's a codemonkey in a chinese or

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-12 Thread Denis McMahon
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 01:06:47 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > Let me spell it out for you: NO WE WILL NOT do this for you. And if you > do it yourself, we will not be happy. Just don't. Chris, I suspect he's a codemonkey in a chinese or similar asian spamhaus. We should probably be thankful that h

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-12 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:57 AM, Wesley wrote: > Here is captcha link: > https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B33_p7UnVqoyd09mT3V0aWFxRmc&usp=sharing You seem to have misunderstood how grossly offensive your request is. I am now the third person to do you the courtesy of a response, but there

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-12 Thread Wesley
Here is captcha link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B33_p7UnVqoyd09mT3V0aWFxRmc&usp=sharing 在 2014年8月12日星期二UTC+8下午8时59分11秒,Dennis Lee Bieber写道: > On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:04:33 -0700 (PDT), Wesley > > declaimed the following: > > > > >Hi guys, > > > These days I got a small task to

Re: Captcha identify

2014-08-12 Thread Denis McMahon
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:04:33 -0700, Wesley wrote: > These days I got a small task to identify Captcha characters. Several of us code websites. Some of our websites may even use captcha. We use captcha to stop software posting spam to websites. What makes you think we have any inclination to hel

Captcha identify

2014-08-12 Thread Wesley
Hi guys, These days I got a small task to identify Captcha characters. I googled a lot and find some way to do verification code identify. However, most are for general captcha. And, for simple captcha, I can use Pytesser. However, what about those advanced pictures. I mean: 1.including number