rantingrick wrote:
> One feature i would like to create is an ability to redo the last
> command. Pressing an F* key should return you to the last block for
> editing.
How would this differ from the current Alt-P function?
Some of your other ideas sound good.
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On 15Jun2010 07:25, Michael Torrie wrote:
| In some languages, due to the size and complexity of the libraries, an
| IDE is essential. Java is one of those languages.
Hmm. I'm in the "terminals are my IDE" camp. I never felt any need to
use an IDE when I was using Java. Indeed, the highly linked
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Shashwat Anand
wrote:
> IDEs are seriously over-rated.
> Vim FTW.
> The only issue for beginners is they should know touch typing to fully
> utilize Vim and the initial curve is a bit high as compared to normal
> editors/IDEs.
Used to be vim-only. Then I got to kn
On 2010-06-15, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:20:29 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote about IDLE:
>
>>> We are at once lucky to have a built in editor
>>
>> It is certainly a boon to someone like me who now only programs in
>> Python and had no experience, let alone commitment to any of
On 06/15/2010 01:30 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I know that lots of people swear by IDEs, and back in Ancient Days I used
> to use the THINK Pascal IDE on a Macintosh so I'm not hostile to the
> idea. But in those days you could only run one app at a time, so you
> needed an IDE or you'd go ins
IDEs are seriously over-rated.
Vim FTW.
The only issue for beginners is they should know touch typing to fully
utilize Vim and the initial curve is a bit high as compared to normal
editors/IDEs.
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Andreas Waldenburger
wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:45:43 +1000 Jam
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:45:43 +1000 James Mills
wrote:
> I myself use vim (as my editor) and 2-3 Terminals on virtual
> workspaces (in my DE). I guess the beauty with vim is you just read
> the line no. type it in and hit ^G
>
You mean just G (Shift+g), right? ^G (Ctrl+G) prints the file name and
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> But other than that, I don't
> see the advantage of an IDE. What am I missing?
You're not missing anything my dear watson :)
I myself use vim (as my editor) and 2-3 Terminals on virtual workspaces
(in my DE). I guess the beauty with vim i
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:20:29 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote about IDLE:
>> We are at once lucky to have a built in editor
>
> It is certainly a boon to someone like me who now only programs in
> Python and had no experience, let alone commitment to any of the current
> alternative.
I know that lots
On Jun 14, 3:20 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> 1. I agree.
> 2. This does not much affect me since I do not directly enter compound
> statement with more than, say, 2 lines in the body, even with the
> command window interpreter. I much prefer a full screen editor.
But i think you'll agree that fixing
On 6/14/2010 3:07 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Sorry Terry -- with all the noise here the very few "quality" signals
just seem to be lost on my "auditory cortex".
I think you will be both happier and more productive if you train
yourself to pay more attention to signal and let noise go by.
We
On Jun 14, 2:32 am, geremy condra wrote:
> And now we come to the crux of the matter- you cheerlead and do
> nothing because you need to have people patting you on the back
> to know you're going the right direction.
...yes and if i ever need a swift kick in the grapes well then i know
who to ca
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:07 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> Hopefully i'll get the motivation for that re-write real soon. So far
> i have only corrected a few small but very annoying facets of the UI
> in between my other various up-and-coming projects. However it would
> be nice to get all the "ID
On Jun 13, 12:45 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 6/13/2010 12:14 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > I have documented time and again the poor state of IDLE. The only
> > responses i ever get are...
>
> > "Nobody uses IDLE"
> > "Only a dumbass would use IDLE"
> > "I have never used IDLE but i *know* no
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:14:34 +0200, Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> * Steven D'Aprano, on 13.06.2010 19:57:
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:42:57 -0700, rantingrick wrote:
>>
>>> i will start a fork.
>>
>> That is the most sensible thing you have said yet. Please do so, it
>> will be a great thing for the Pyt
Someone Something writes:
> Here's the thing. Python has one of the nicest communities of most
> software projects (except maybe ubuntu), try Perl or C. Unless you
> completely know what you're talking about, have spent atleast 1/2 an
> hour researching your problem, those guys will refrain from
> Why was the reaction so negative? Well i will admit some fault in the
> fact that i trashed Ruby pretty bad. I felt everything i said was true
> IMO then as is now (mostly). People should have a right to opinions.
> However since i was such an "unknown" and you could say a "newbie",
> was this re
* Steven D'Aprano, on 13.06.2010 19:57:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:42:57 -0700, rantingrick wrote:
i will start a fork.
That is the most sensible thing you have said yet. Please do so, it will
be a great thing for the Python community.
Not nice to quote out of context, there was an "if" and a "
On 6/13/10 12:08 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 13/06/2010 18:24, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>> On 6/13/10 8:42 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> [big snip]
>
> Stephen, you've tried as have others with this troll, but you're wasting
> your time.
Realistically, I know. However, http://xkcd.com/386/ currently
On 13/06/2010 18:24, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 6/13/10 8:42 AM, rantingrick wrote:
[big snip]
Stephen, you've tried as have others with this troll, but you're wasting
your time. As I said a day or two back by paraphrasing Tommy Docherty,
Ranting Rick is to Python what King Herod was to baby
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:42:57 -0700, rantingrick wrote:
>
>> i will start a fork.
>
> That is the most sensible thing you have said yet. Please do so, it will
> be a great thing for the Python community.
Eagerly awaiting the transfer of thi
Here's the thing. Python has one of the nicest communities of most
software projects (except maybe ubuntu), try Perl or C. Unless you
completely know what you're talking about, have spent atleast 1/2 an
hour researching your problem, those guys will refrain from helping.
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:42:57 -0700, rantingrick wrote:
> i will start a fork.
That is the most sensible thing you have said yet. Please do so, it will
be a great thing for the Python community.
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On 6/13/2010 12:14 PM, rantingrick wrote:
I have documented time and again the poor state of IDLE. The only
responses i ever get are...
"Nobody uses IDLE"
"Only a dumbass would use IDLE"
"I have never used IDLE but i *know* nothing is wrong with it"
Perhaps you are listening selectively
On 6/13/10 8:42 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> However, if the ivory towers continue to pretend that the rest
> of the Python community does not exist well then they will force my
> hand, and i will start a fork. Then we will have a sort of ironic
> situation... the very people who rail *against* me (and
On 6/13/10 9:14 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jun 13, 1:50 am, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
>> You don't argue a position; you don't support it with facts, logic,
>> reason. You start immediately into this emotional rhetoric,
>> pseudo-inspirational nonsense which just comes off as inane. It's like a
>>
In article <0912f443-e83a-4436-80db-b1cb915d5...@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Zeth wrote:
>On Jun 13, 4:09=A0am, rantingrick wrote:
>>
>> Where is the community?
>
>In Birmingham from 17th to 22nd of July:
>http://www.europython.eu/talks/timetable/
>
>(Couldn't resist - one good troll deserves
On Jun 13, 4:09 am, rantingrick wrote:
> Where is the community?
In Birmingham from 17th to 22nd of July:
http://www.europython.eu/talks/timetable/
(Couldn't resist - one good troll deserves another)
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On Jun 13, 1:50 am, Stephen Hansen wrote:
> You don't argue a position; you don't support it with facts, logic,
> reason. You start immediately into this emotional rhetoric,
> pseudo-inspirational nonsense which just comes off as inane. It's like a
> bad cross between a politician and an self-hel
On Jun 13, 5:04 am, "Martin P. Hellwig"
wrote:
> So I would propose that, instead of beating up a dead horse (I try to
> write from your point of view) you fork the project, call it Rython (or
> whatever you fancy) and create the community you want by patching up the
> language to your standards.
At first I wanted to response in the style of 'karma is a bitch' or
'what goes around comes around' but then I considered that won't be
helping much, so I only did at first in a meta sort of way, sorry for that.
The thing is that sometimes for no good or appealing reasons, which I
personally t
On 6/12/10 10:10 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> Python advocacy seems to be by example, not cheerleading.
+1 QOTW
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I call bullshit.
The Python community is vibrant, accessible, and willing to endure far
more then anyone has any right to expect when people come to it for help.
The community seems willing to explain fundamental concepts to newbies
over, and over, and over again; to go out of their way, time and
In article <8d93f1e1-1c49-4abc-832c-5501b6109...@a16g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
rantingrick wrote:
>
>I will bring some positive attitudes to this group if it's the last
>thing i do!
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then
shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mo
On 12Jun2010 20:09, rantingrick wrote:
| I think the Python community is broken. I think we don't really "have"
| a community. It's more like a handful of negitive people at the top
| and every one else is chopped liver.
Hmm. I think this is an overreaction. I must be chopped liver myself,
though
Jack Diederich writes:
> In various threads you haven't met the minimum qualifications to be
> taken seriously: you have contributed no code, don't even bother to
> use something that looks like a real name, and continually demand that
> volunteers (which we all are) write code to fulfill your sp
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Jack Diederich wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:09 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>>
>> -
>> Where is the community?
>> -
> [snip]
[snip]
> In various threads you haven't met the minimum qualifications to be
> taken se
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:09 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> -
> Where is the community?
> -
[snip]
>
> You people need to get a life, drop your narcissistic attitudes and be
> more helpful, friendly, and welcoming to the wider world. This
> community i
-
Where is the community?
-
I think the Python community is broken. I think we don't really "have"
a community. It's more like a handful of negitive people at the top
and every one else is chopped liver.
Just today i saw another chance to contribu
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