Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-09-04 Thread Kathryn Van Stone
Greetings, I somehow missed some of this thread, but I believe you left a note saying that you were not able to do Extreme Programming. However, based on the description of the size of the project and the size of the development team (is there any more than you?) I would recommend you consi

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-31 Thread Paul Rubin
Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Granted. But what I will be writing really will take a lot of extra > work to get even close to the level of usability needed on the web vs. > a desktop app. And I'll try not to write a crappy GUI ;-) OK. In the discussion with Chris, one factor that came up i

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-30 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : (snip) > We have found the object-relationship managers Actually, ORM stands for "object-relational mapper" > to be bloated > and unruly. Which ones ? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-30 Thread David Bolen
Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David: Sounds like a pretty interesting app. Thanks for the in-depth > description. I went and checked out Twisted PB, and it seems > awesome. I may very well go with that. How was writing code with > it? I may also end up using py2app, but I'm also going to

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-30 Thread Jeff
Wow, there's a lot to respond to here. Thanks everyone for your help. I'll try to go in order. askel: Thanks, I've looked at this a little bit before, but now I've looked into it a little further. Seems pretty cool, but also fairly complex. Have you used it before? David: Sounds like a pretty

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-30 Thread vanrpeterson
We totally agree with your software engineering goals. Relying on wxPython and minimizing web reliance brings sanity to the enterprise. We too love PostgreSQL and avoid XML whether cleaned by SOAP at all costs. We have found the object-relationship managers to be bloated and unruly. What are yo

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-30 Thread vanrpeterson
We totally agree with your software engineering goals. Relying on wxPython and minimizing web reliance brings sanity to the enterprise. We too love PostgreSQL and avoid XML whether cleaned by SOAP at all costs. We have found the object-relationship managers to be bloated and unruly. What are yo

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-30 Thread Paul Rubin
Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was really hoping to avoid an entirely web-based app, for a few > reasons, not the least of which is that I've been working almost > entirely on web apps for the past few years, and I am getting mighty > sick of it. If you've done any gui programming, you'll kn

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread David Bolen
Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > reasons, not the least of which is that I've been working almost > entirely on web apps for the past few years, and I am getting mighty > sick of it. A lot of that is due to the language (PHP, which I have > since grown to hate) I had to use. I've worked on a s

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread askel
On Aug 29, 1:31 pm, Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Goldfish--thanks, I'll check it out. > > > > That, or something similar, may be what I do. It would mean, however, > > > developing my own method for transferring objects across the network, > > > Why transfering "objects" ? You only need to tr

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Jeff a écrit : > Goldfish--thanks, I'll check it out. > > >>>That, or something similar, may be what I do. It would mean, however, >>>developing my own method for transferring objects across the network, >> >>Why transfering "objects" ? You only need to transfer data. > > I suppose I don't nee

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread Jeff
Goldfish--thanks, I'll check it out. > > That, or something similar, may be what I do. It would mean, however, > > developing my own method for transferring objects across the network, > > Why transfering "objects" ? You only need to transfer data. I suppose I don't need to transfer objects, it

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Jeff a écrit : >> You could explore something like a custom-made GUI client app >> communicating thru the http protocol with a web-server app. http is just >> a protocol, and it doesn't necessarily imply using html and a browser... >> IIRC, some GUI toolkits uses XML description files for the UI. >

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread Goldfish
Perhaps Spring Python can help you out (http://springpython.python- hosting.com). It reuses technologies like Pyro for remoting, offers database templates, has a plugable security component, an AOP solution should the need arise, an IoC container, and has a couple of web-app demos using CherryPy. O

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread Jeff
> You could explore something like a custom-made GUI client app > communicating thru the http protocol with a web-server app. http is just > a protocol, and it doesn't necessarily imply using html and a browser... > IIRC, some GUI toolkits uses XML description files for the UI. That, or something

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Jeff a écrit : > Thanks for the quick responses. > > I was really hoping to avoid an entirely web-based app, for a few > reasons, not the least of which is that I've been working almost > entirely on web apps for the past few years, and I am getting mighty > sick of it. A lot of that is due to th

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread Jeff
Thanks for the quick responses. I was really hoping to avoid an entirely web-based app, for a few reasons, not the least of which is that I've been working almost entirely on web apps for the past few years, and I am getting mighty sick of it. A lot of that is due to the language (PHP, which I ha

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Paul Rubin a écrit : > Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Here's a broad overview of what I need to do: cross-platform, client- >> side GUI apps that interact with a server backed by a database. I'd >> also like the possibility of having a web interface for small portions >> of the app. ... an

Re: Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-28 Thread Paul Rubin
Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here's a broad overview of what I need to do: cross-platform, client- > side GUI apps that interact with a server backed by a database. I'd > also like the possibility of having a web interface for small portions > of the app. ... any advice on anything I've m

Creating a multi-tier client/server application

2007-08-28 Thread Jeff
Hello everyone. I've searched through the archives here, and it seems that questions similar to this one have come up in the past, but I was hoping that I could pick your Pythonic brains a bit. Here's a broad overview of what I need to do: cross-platform, client- side GUI apps that interact with