Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-29 Thread MRAB
On 2019-07-29 03:59, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 29Jul2019 10:15, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:06 AM Richard Damon wrote: When talking of empty strings, we need to look a bit at context. "The empty string" implies that there is only one of them, and if we are talking about

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 29Jul2019 10:15, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:06 AM Richard Damon wrote: When talking of empty strings, we need to look a bit at context. "The empty string" implies that there is only one of them, and if we are talking about values, then there is only one empty string v

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 28Jul2019 20:11, Richard Damon wrote: On 7/28/19 11:13 AM, MRAB wrote: On 2019-07-28 13:30, Cameron Simpson wrote: The collection is "the things". "all" qualifies it, versus, say, "some of the things" or "the first of the things" etc. [snip] It's strange that "all the things" (meaning "a

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:06 AM Richard Damon wrote: > When talking of empty strings, we need to look a bit at context. "The > empty string" implies that there is only one of them, and if we are > talking about values, then there is only one empty string values, so > "The empty string value" wou

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Richard Damon
On 7/28/19 11:13 AM, MRAB wrote: > On 2019-07-28 13:30, Cameron Simpson wrote: >> >> The collection is "the things". "all" qualifies it, versus, say, "some >> of the things" or "the first of the things" etc. >> > [snip] > > It's strange that "all the things" (meaning "all of the things") is > OK, b

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Richard Damon
On 7/28/19 7:04 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:36 PM Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> So it depends on the context if the relevant equivalence is "is" or >> "==". Maybe the rule of thumb is that if we are talking about strings, >> integers and similar things, we should think about i

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread MRAB
On 2019-07-29 00:04, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:36 PM Marko Rauhamaa wrote: So it depends on the context if the relevant equivalence is "is" or "==". Maybe the rule of thumb is that if we are talking about strings, integers and similar things, we should think about it from

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:36 PM Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > So it depends on the context if the relevant equivalence is "is" or > "==". Maybe the rule of thumb is that if we are talking about strings, > integers and similar things, we should think about it from the point of > view of Python's data mod

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Thomas Jollans
On 28/07/2019 17:13, MRAB wrote: > [snip] > > It's strange that "all the things" (meaning "all of the things") is OK, > but otherwise it's "one of the things", "some of the things", etc. Is it? It's the same in French, Dutch and German. Can't tell if it just makes sense or if it's Common Average

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread MRAB
On 2019-07-28 13:30, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 28Jul2019 10:32, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote: Chris Angelico wrote: When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk about "the " or "an "? Example: def f(s): """Frob a thing. If s is an empty string, frobs a

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Michael F. Stemper
On 27/07/2019 17.43, Stefan Ram wrote: > Terry Reedy writes: >> In mathematics, *every* set is 'the'. This is correct, at least in ZF, where the Axiom of Extensionality says that (in English) if A and B have exactly the same elements, they are the same set. > |Example 2 Let T be an non-empty s

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 28Jul2019 10:32, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote: Chris Angelico wrote: When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk about "the " or "an "? Example: def f(s): """Frob a thing. If s is an empty string, frobs all the things. OR If s is the empty s

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Peter Otten
Chris Angelico wrote: > When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk > about "the " or "an "? > > Example: > > def f(s): > """Frob a thing. > > If s is an empty string, frobs all the things. > OR > If s is the empty string, frobs all the things. > """

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-28 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Ethan Furman : > On 07/27/2019 02:10 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk >> about "the " or "an "? > > Multiple indistinguishable objects are still multiple, so "an". > > Implementation details should only enter the conversation when > s

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-27 Thread DL Neil
On 28/07/19 9:10 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk about "the " or "an "? Example: def f(s): """Frob a thing. If s is an empty string, frobs all the things. OR If s is the empty string, frobs all the things. """

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-27 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/27/2019 5:10 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk about "the " or "an "? Example: def f(s): """Frob a thing. If s is an empty string, frobs all the things. OR If s is the empty string, frobs all the things.

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-27 Thread Mirko via Python-list
Am 27.07.2019 um 23:10 schrieb Chris Angelico: > When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk > about "the " or "an "? > > Example: > > def f(s): > """Frob a thing. > > If s is an empty string, frobs all the things. > OR > If s is the empty string, frobs al

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-27 Thread Ethan Furman
On 07/27/2019 02:10 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk about "the " or "an "? Multiple indistinguishable objects are still multiple, so "an". Implementation details should only enter the conversation when specifically discussing the

Re: Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-27 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 28Jul2019 07:10, Chris Angelico wrote: When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk about "the " or "an "? Example: def f(s): """Frob a thing. If s is an empty string, frobs all the things. OR If s is the empty string, frobs all the things. """ It's e

Definite or indefinite article for non-singletons?

2019-07-27 Thread Chris Angelico
When talking about indistinguishable objects, is it correct to talk about "the " or "an "? Example: def f(s): """Frob a thing. If s is an empty string, frobs all the things. OR If s is the empty string, frobs all the things. """ It's entirely possible that a Python implement