Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-21 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message , rantingrick wrote: > X No Archive should have never been allowed and should be removed > immediately and forever. What is the point of posting when your words > will be gone form memory in a short time? My words are for now. All I think are fleeting thoughts; Tomorrow I am dust. --

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-21 Thread rantingrick
On Sep 20, 12:25 pm, Tim Harig wrote: > On 2010-09-20, Brian Victor wrote: > Usernet users also have the right to use the X-No-Archive header field. > Does the fact that *you* happen to search usenet archives make using this > field immoral?  Shouldn't the poster have to right to determine for >

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-20 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:25:09 +, Tim Harig wrote: >> And as a datapoint on the topic of archiving, I search usenet archives >> regularly when faced with a problem. > > Usernet users also have the right to use the X-No-Archive header field. They do? Is that right enshrined by law somewhere? Ca

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-20 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/19/2010 11:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:16:49 -0700, Aahz wrote: Please don't use tinyurl -- it's opaque and provides zero help to anyone who might later want to look it up (and also no accessibility if tinyurl ever goes down). At the very least, include the origin

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-20 Thread Seebs
On 2010-09-20, Tim Harig wrote: > You could simply place the filter in slrn; then, any urls that you see in > your reader would already be shown with the preview prefix suitable for cut > and paste mechanisms. If you wanted, you can even have your script > download the preview and automatically c

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-20 Thread Tim Harig
On 2010-09-20, Brian Victor wrote: > Tim Harig wrote: >> Posting two URLs rather defeats the purpose of using a URL shortening >> service in the first place; but, if that is what you feel is effective, >> then by all means, do so. You are the master of your posts and you have >> the right to post

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-20 Thread Brian Victor
Tim Harig wrote: > Posting two URLs rather defeats the purpose of using a URL shortening > service in the first place; but, if that is what you feel is effective, > then by all means, do so. You are the master of your posts and you have > the right to post them using whatever methods and formating

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-20 Thread Tim Harig
On 2010-09-20, Tim Harig wrote: > On 2010-09-20, Seebs wrote: >> On 2010-09-20, Tim Harig wrote: >>> If you want this behavior by default, you can easily wrap urlview >>> to automatically add the prefix. >> >> True, but since my news reading is not on the machine my web browser is >> on,

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-20 Thread Tim Harig
On 2010-09-20, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:46:38 +, Tim Harig wrote: > >>> I'm not particularly convinced that these are *significant* complaints >>> about URL-shorteners. But I will say, of the last couple hundred links >>> I've followed from Usenet posts, precisely zero

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-20 Thread Tim Harig
On 2010-09-20, Seebs wrote: > On 2010-09-20, Tim Harig wrote: >> 1. Don't bother to manually paste when you can use something like urlview >> to lauch directly. > > I don't know that this would actually be better than what I currently do, > which is grab text and middle-click in another wind

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-20 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message , Philip Semanchuk wrote: > Some email systems still insert hard line breaks around the 72 or 80 > column mark and as a result long URLs get broken. That’s why content transfer encodings (quoted-printable, base64) are a standard part of MIME. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listi

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:46:38 +, Tim Harig wrote: >> I'm not particularly convinced that these are *significant* complaints >> about URL-shorteners. But I will say, of the last couple hundred links >> I've followed from Usenet posts, precisely zero of them were through >> URL redirectors. If

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Seebs
On 2010-09-20, Tim Harig wrote: > 1. Don't bother to manually paste when you can use something like urlview > to lauch directly. I don't know that this would actually be better than what I currently do, which is grab text and middle-click in another window. > If you want this behavio

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Tim Harig
On 2010-09-20, Seebs wrote: > On 2010-09-20, Tim Harig wrote: >> On 2010-09-20, Seebs wrote: >>> * No hint as to what site you'll be getting redirected to. > >> Tinyurl, in particular, allows you to preview the url if you choose to do >> so. Other URL shortning services have a similar feature.

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Seebs
On 2010-09-20, Tim Harig wrote: > On 2010-09-20, Seebs wrote: >> * No hint as to what site you'll be getting redirected to. > Tinyurl, in particular, allows you to preview the url if you choose to do > so. Other URL shortning services have a similar feature. I have no idea how. If I see a "ti

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Tim Harig
On 2010-09-20, Seebs wrote: > On 2010-09-20, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:16:49 -0700, Aahz wrote: >>> Please don't use tinyurl -- it's opaque and provides zero help to anyone >>> who might later want to look it up (and also no accessibility if tinyurl >>> ever goes down). At

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Seebs
On 2010-09-20, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:16:49 -0700, Aahz wrote: >> Please don't use tinyurl -- it's opaque and provides zero help to anyone >> who might later want to look it up (and also no accessibility if tinyurl >> ever goes down). At the very least, include the origin

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:16:49 -0700, Aahz wrote: > Please don't use tinyurl -- it's opaque and provides zero help to anyone > who might later want to look it up (and also no accessibility if tinyurl > ever goes down). At the very least, include the original URL for > reference. Do you have someth

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Aahz
In article , Philip Semanchuk wrote: > >Some email systems still insert hard line breaks around the 72 or 80 >column mark and as a result long URLs get broken. I hope anyone on this >list would be able to surgically repair a broken URL, but I email plenty >of people who can't and tinyurl & frie

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Philip Semanchuk
On Sep 19, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Xavier Ho wrote: > On 20 September 2010 07:59, Ken Watford > >> wrote: > >> >> Not that I disagree with you, but you might find this helpful: >> http://tinyurl.com/preview.php >> -- >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list >> > > I don't think the O

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Lawrence D'Oliveiro
In message , Aahz wrote: > Please don't use tinyurl -- it's opaque and provides zero help to anyone > who might later want to look it up (and also no accessibility if tinyurl > ever goes down). At the very least, include the original URL for > reference. +1 from someone who has seen URL-shorteni

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Xavier Ho
On 20 September 2010 07:59, Ken Watford > wrote: > > Not that I disagree with you, but you might find this helpful: > http://tinyurl.com/preview.php > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > I don't think the OP wants a preview feature. The fact that you still have to go throu

Re: Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Ken Watford
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Aahz wrote: > In article , > geremy condra   wrote: >>On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:35 PM, patrick mcnameeking >> wrote: >>> >>> I've been working with Python now for about a year using it primarily for >>> scripting in the Puredata graphical programming environment. I'

Down with tinyurl! (was Re: importing excel data into a python matrix?)

2010-09-19 Thread Aahz
In article , geremy condra wrote: >On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:35 PM, patrick mcnameeking > wrote: >> >> I've been working with Python now for about a year using it primarily for >> scripting in the Puredata graphical programming environment. I'm working on >> a project where I have been given a 100