Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-07 Thread jmdeschamps
malv wrote: This is probably a fair answer. My experience: Two years ago I started with Boa till I discovered eric. I have been with eric ever since. Eric uses Qt as GUI. I think both Qt and wx enable you to do pretty much the same thing. I like the work F.Lundh did on Tkinter, but every

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well i use eric3 and i am pretty happy with it. Comes with integrated refactoring, unittest, python shell, project browser, version control. Do try it , avaialble under GPL. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-06 Thread Aaron Bingham
Paul Boddie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eclipse, for example, performs like a dog on my dual opteron workstation w/ 2GB of RAM, which is more than enough to annoy me. I shouldn't have to wait more than about 1 second for an editor to start and then open what is essentially a text file

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-06 Thread Paul Boddie
Aaron Bingham wrote: Did you ever try double clicking the editor tab? Hi Aaron! Yes, I think I worked that one out, but perhaps the proliferation of panels containing tabs containing panels (containing tabs...) is one of the things that really puts me off IDEs, particularly Eclipse. I'm sure

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-06 Thread Trent Mick
[Paul Boddie wrote] Shouldn't you have something nice to say about Komodo instead, however? ;-) Yah, I was just reminding Aaron of his fine-print legal requirements to evermore only be able to extol the virtues of Komodo. Muuuwahahaha! :) Trent -- Trent Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-05 Thread Fabio Zadrozny
John J. Lee wrote: Aaron Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...ex-emacs user explains switch to Eclipse...] The killer PyDev feature for me is pylint integration. Being informed immediately when you mistype a variable name is a big timesaver. Also

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-05 Thread malv
As bicycle repair man integration keeps popping up as a distinct feature of jave-based PyDev, let it be known that other IDE's also have this. For example, non-java Eric has had bicycle repair man integration for a very long time. Personally, in spite of intense programming in python, I've never

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-05 Thread Fabio Zadrozny
John J. Lee wrote: Fabio Zadrozny [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I must also warn you that I'm its current maintainer, and it is *my* favorite IDE :-) [...] But in the end, as I said, it is a subjective matter, so, you'll have to decide it for yourself. Hey, Fabio, can

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-05 Thread Fabio Zadrozny
malv wrote: As bicycle repair man integration keeps popping up as a distinct feature of jave-based PyDev, let it be known that other IDE's also have this. For example, non-java Eric has had bicycle repair man integration for a very long time. Personally, in spite of intense programming in

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-05 Thread malv
It would not be misplaced in a python forum to draw your attention to Bruce A. Tate's book: Beyond Java, publ O'Reilly Sep. 2005, ISBN 0-596-10094-9. Bruce explains why: ... Java is abandoning its base, and conditions are ripe for an alternative to emerge. Personally, I have never felt any need

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I fear licensing issues will keep away Emacs hackers who might otherwise switch and make the platform more usable for other Emacs refugees. Please tell me what licensing issues you are referring to. Eclipse should be GPLv3.0 compatible I would guess. Chris --

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sure, but it was the fact that the *core* is in Java I was thinking about. I wonder how 'closed' it is. The code is under open source license. There are open source JVMs. What is the problem then with Java code? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-05 Thread John J Lee
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Fabio Zadrozny wrote: [...] Being java, does not worry me that much... there are already many vms aside from suns (including gcj), and I think that if you do not want to program in java, adding scripting layers for jython, jruby, etc should be fairly easy (given that

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-05 Thread Trent Mick
[John J. Lee wrote] I now find it difficult to mis-type variable names in Emacs, since I have F4 bound to dabbrev-expand. I also do standard things like using query-replace when renaming. Actually, something like dabbrev-expand is perhaps the one thing I would find indispensible switching to

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-04 Thread malv
This is probably a fair answer. My experience: Two years ago I started with Boa till I discovered eric. I have been with eric ever since. Eric uses Qt as GUI. I think both Qt and wx enable you to do pretty much the same thing. I like the work F.Lundh did on Tkinter, but every time I try, I get

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-04 Thread Avizoa
Though I tried most the above listed IDEs, sticking with a few for awhile, I always find myself gravitating back to the one no one ever mentions: IDLE. It's simple, fast, and with multiple monitors the lack of tabs really isn't much of a problem. The biggest reason I've found myself using IDLE is

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-04 Thread Paul Boddie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eclipse, for example, performs like a dog on my dual opteron workstation w/ 2GB of RAM, which is more than enough to annoy me. I shouldn't have to wait more than about 1 second for an editor to start and then open what is essentially a text file :-P. And then, due to

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-04 Thread John J. Lee
Aaron Bingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...ex-emacs user explains switch to Eclipse...] The killer PyDev feature for me is pylint integration. Being informed immediately when you mistype a variable name is a big timesaver. Also I now find it difficult to mis-type

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-04 Thread John J. Lee
Fabio Zadrozny [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] I must also warn you that I'm its current maintainer, and it is *my* favorite IDE :-) [...] But in the end, as I said, it is a subjective matter, so, you'll have to decide it for yourself. Hey, Fabio, can this be true:

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-04 Thread gene tani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I tried most the above listed IDEs, sticking with a few for awhile, I always find myself gravitating back to the one no one ever mentions: IDLE. It's simple, fast, and with multiple monitors the lack of tabs really isn't much of a problem. The biggest reason

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-03 Thread BartlebyScrivener
if it is the *best* IDE for Python. Nobody can answer this for you. Just try them all. The two I like that I don't see mentioned in this thread are PythonCard (which is free) and WingWare (which costs $30.00 but you can try for free.) bs -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-02 Thread Jean-François Doyon
I'm a big fan of Eclipse and reocmmend it to anyone who asks :) No one can say any one is the *best*, since it's a matter of taste, but it's pretty darn good. The main benefit IMO is it's felibility ... Eclipse is a *framework*, that can handle lots things quite well, like HTML (If you're

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-02 Thread Fabio Zadrozny
Hi Chris, I think that you should try it yourself... being the *best ide* is usually a subjective matter, so, you should decide yourself if it is the best IDE for the task you want it to. I must also warn you that I'm its current maintainer, and it is *my* favorite IDE :-) Also, I use it

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-02 Thread Aaron Bingham
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to move beyond Emacs/Vim/Kate and was wondering if Eclipse is better and if it is the *best* IDE for Python. Should I leave Emacs and do Python coding in Eclipse? I've been a heavy Emacs user for several years, but recently switched to Eclipse for Python

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-02 Thread gene tani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to move beyond Emacs/Vim/Kate and was wondering if Eclipse is better and if it is the *best* IDE for Python. Should I leave Emacs and do Python coding in Eclipse? Chris I'm agnostic; lots of IDE's/editors have buzz, you should learn to use at least a

Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm trying to move beyond Emacs/Vim/Kate and was wondering if Eclipse is better and if it is the *best* IDE for Python. Should I leave Emacs and do Python coding in Eclipse? Chris -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-01 Thread Jorge Godoy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to move beyond Emacs/Vim/Kate and was wondering if Eclipse is better and if it is the *best* IDE for Python. Should I leave Emacs and do Python coding in Eclipse? IMVVVHO, Eclipse is like a graphical Emacs. It uses a lot more memory,

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-01 Thread elbertlev
Eclipse is very-very slow. 3G P4 looks like 8M 86. It might be good for Java, but not for Python. BUT THIS IS 1 OF 2 IDE'S WHICH ALLOWS DEBUGGING OF MULTITHREADED APPLICATIONS. I prefer Eric or PythonWin. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-01 Thread elbertlev
Eclipse is very-very slow. 3G P4 looks like 8M 86. It might be good for Java, but not for Python. BUT THIS IS 1 OF 2 IDE'S WHICH ALLOWS DEBUGGING OF MULTITHREADED APPLICATIONS. I prefer Eric or PythonWin. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Eclipse best/good or bad IDE for Python?

2005-12-01 Thread James
There is no answer for that question. All Python IDEs have their own strengths and weaknesses and different programmers expect different things from their IDEs. What's best for YOU depends on what features you need. PyDev, without question a good IDE. BEST is a subjective affair. I use Eclipse