Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-10-01 Thread jhermann
Our solution consists of: * our own base python distribution, decoupled from the OS one (for various reasons, one being version independency) * distutils / setuptools / virtualenv is included in that python installation, no other eggs installed in site-packages * virtualenv + Paver to manage bui

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-26 Thread r0g
Diez B. Roggisch wrote: >> that is a very valid point, but it seemed that Scott has homogeneous >> environment: Debian/Ubuntu so my post was relative to the original >> request. >> I agree that when you throw Windows/MacOS into the mix things >> become "interesting". But then it's better when your

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
Diez B. Roggisch wrote: > Well, you certainly want a desktop-orientied Linux for users, so you > chose ubuntu - but then on the server you go with a more stable debian > system. Even though the both have the same technical and even package > management-base, they are still incompatible wrt to packa

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
that is a very valid point, but it seemed that Scott has homogeneous environment: Debian/Ubuntu so my post was relative to the original request. I agree that when you throw Windows/MacOS into the mix things become "interesting". But then it's better when your developers develop on server/platform

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
Diez B. Roggisch wrote: > - different OS. I for one don't know about a package management tool > for windows. And while our servers use Linux (and I as developer as > well), all the rest of our people use windows. No use telling them to > apt-get instal python-imaging. that is a very valid poin

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Scott Sharkey
Diez B. Roggisch wrote: > Dmitry S. Makovey schrieb: >> Scott Sharkey wrote: >>> Any insight into the best way to have a consistent, repeatable, >>> controllable development and production environment would be much >>> appreciated. >> >> you have just described OS package building ;) Except that

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Dmitry S. Makovey schrieb: Scott Sharkey wrote: Any insight into the best way to have a consistent, repeatable, controllable development and production environment would be much appreciated. you have just described OS package building ;) I can't speak for everybody, but supporting multiple pl

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Nick Craig-Wood schrieb: Scott Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: B> Our development group at work seems to be heading towards adopting python as one of our standard "systems languages" for internal application development (yeah!). One of the issues that's come up is the problem with apt

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Nick Craig-Wood
Scott Sharkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: B> Our development group at work seems to be heading towards adopting > python as one of our standard "systems languages" for internal > application development (yeah!). One of the issues that's come up is > the problem with apt (deb packages) vs egg

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Scott Sharkey schrieb: Hello all, Our development group at work seems to be heading towards adopting python as one of our standard "systems languages" for internal application development (yeah!). One of the issues that's come up is the problem with apt (deb packages) vs eggs, vs virtual env

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: you have just described OS package building ;) I can't speak for everybody, but supporting multiple platforms (PHP, Perl, Python, Java) we found that the only way to stay consistent is to use OS native packaging tools (in your case apt and .deb ) and if you're missing s

Re: Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Dmitry S. Makovey
Scott Sharkey wrote: > Any insight into the best way to have a consistent, repeatable, > controllable development and production environment would be much > appreciated. you have just described OS package building ;) I can't speak for everybody, but supporting multiple platforms (PHP, Perl, Pytho

Eggs, VirtualEnv, and Apt - best practices?

2008-09-25 Thread Scott Sharkey
Hello all, Our development group at work seems to be heading towards adopting python as one of our standard "systems languages" for internal application development (yeah!). One of the issues that's come up is the problem with apt (deb packages) vs eggs, vs virtual environments. We're probab