Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-12 Thread Robert Dailey
That's a bit hard given the unpredictability of each person on that list. What seems like a simple question one minute suddenly turns into a flamewar because someone had a bad day at work and needed to vent at my expense. This is beyond phrasing your questions properly. It has to do with just pure

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-11 Thread Dr.Ruud
Paul Boddie schreef: let us avoid comp.lang.python becoming some kind of linux-kernel ego trip where anyone who has stuck around has an interest in perpetuating a hostile atmosphere. When did you stop beating your wife? -- Affijn, Ruud Gewoon is een tijger. --

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-11 Thread Dr.Ruud
grocery_stocker schreef: In the beginning there was Mathematics And all was good Then one day God said Let there be the Lambda Calculus And hence the Lambda Calculus was born. However, God felt the the Lambda Calculus needed a mate So god said Let there be Lisp And thus, Lisp was born.

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-11 Thread Dr.Ruud
RedGrittyBrick schreef: treasure the saints, tolerate the irritable and ignore the whiners. *You are what you read.* What is irritating to some, is to the point to others. That should say enough, but some people just can not stand short replies, they can not hold themselves back from reading

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-11 Thread Robert Dailey
I had this very same problem with the doxygen mailing list... doxygen is such a great tool but full of assholes in their mailing list. On 8/2/07, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentions: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-11 Thread Greg Donald
On 8/11/07, Robert Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had this very same problem with the doxygen mailing list... doxygen is such a great tool but full of assholes in their mailing list. I'm not defending any assholes you may have ran into, but I find the thing to do is only ask questions in

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-04 Thread grocery_stocker
On Jul 25, 12:45 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks, back-biting, scare tactings, and so

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-04 Thread Todd Wade
On Jul 22, 2:20 am, Bruno Desthuilliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Python is a better language, with php support, Python has php support ? My, I'm a professional web developper using both, and I didn't knew this. As an aside, perl DOES support PHP:

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-03 Thread sln
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:56:13 GMT, zentara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:45:29 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-03 Thread Danyelle Gragsone
In most of the technical computer newsgroups which I frequent, there is a handful of knowledgeable and helpful but irritable regulars, and often one or two saints who contribute usefully, ignore rudeness and almost never post off topic. Ain't that the truth!! You will find rudeness everywhere

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-08-02 Thread Jamie
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentions: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks, back-biting, scare tactings, and so

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-27 Thread zentara
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:38:34 -0700, Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zentara wrote: This is where the big boys play, you have to be able to be able to scuffle and take punishment if you are wrong or unduly ignorant. You also need to squash somehow who attacks you, when you know you are

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-27 Thread RedGrittyBrick
Paul Rubin wrote: M brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Out of the pan and into the fire. :) Welcome to the world of Ph.D's in Computer Science. You think the Perl guys have attitude, just wait and see what you're in for over here. I think you'll find attitudes in any programming language...

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-27 Thread Danyelle Gragsone
Brad Wrote: In my experience, things have not changed at most PolySci Universities (Georgia Tech, NC State, Virginia Tech, etc). The Comp Engineering/CS/Math classes are still full of boys. Although there are some girls, but not a lot. If a girl is in the class (and that's a big if) no boy in the

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Python is a better language, with php support, Python has php support ? My, I'm a professional web developper using both, and I didn't knew this. (snip troll) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Fwd: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread jed drury
Hey, Perl's new motto is There is more than 1 way to be an ASSHOLE! Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.

Re: Fwd: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Steve Holden
jed drury wrote: Hey, Perl's new motto is There is more than 1 way to be an ASSHOLE! As you have just demonstrated. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Paul Rubin
John K Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a complete amateur in the world of programming (barring 25 years programming machine tools in the aerospace industry) I would like to point out that the more arcane the ['language', 'operating system', 'application'] the more unfriendly the

Re: Fwd: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Kay Schluehr
On Jul 26, 8:18 pm, jed drury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Perl's new motto is There is more than 1 way to be an ASSHOLE! Do you think the unique asshole constraint feels more natural? I tend to agree. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Paul Rubin
M brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Out of the pan and into the fire. :) Welcome to the world of Ph.D's in Computer Science. You think the Perl guys have attitude, just wait and see what you're in for over here. I think you'll find attitudes in any programming language... just different types.

Re: Fwd: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Danyelle Gragsone
Wow.. How about we let this die now? This isn't Perl its python. Let it die there. Danyelle -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Paul Boddie
zentara wrote: This is where the big boys play, you have to be able to be able to scuffle and take punishment if you are wrong or unduly ignorant. You also need to squash somehow who attacks you, when you know you are right. Where is this again? High school? I can understand people getting

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Steve Holden
zentara wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:45:29 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks,

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Sherm Pendley
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Please, if you must fred the troll, drop comp.lang.python from the discussion (i.e. post trplies only to the

Fwd: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread matt westerburg
-- Forwarded message -- From: matt westerburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jul 26, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python To: zentara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome, the people here are friendly occasional argument, not very often

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread zentara
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:45:29 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks, back-biting, scare

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread brad
James Stroud wrote: Midway through a semester in college, after a few days (or was it a few weeks?) of...well...lets just say I was studying real hard...I got lost on my way to o-chem and wandered into the interior design department by accident and found what I like to call the motherload.

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)
[Followup-To: header set to comp.lang.perl.misc.] On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:38:34 -0700, Paul Boddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] you'd show off your community a bit better by entertaining even the most naive questions - people have to start somewhere, you know. However asking a good question

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread brad
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks, back-biting, scare tactings, and so on proliferate and

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread Sherm Pendley
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On c.l.py there are standards of behavior, and we encourage people to observe them (while attempting to engage politely with those who don't). We also do that on c.l.perl.misc. The problems tend to arise when people get defensive and argumentative in

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread James Stroud
Steve Holden wrote: Sadly there are too few female members of either c.l.py or c.l.p.m for it to make much difference. Midway through a semester in college, after a few days (or was it a few weeks?) of...well...lets just say I was studying real hard...I got lost on my way to o-chem and

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread John K Masters
On 16:33 Thu 26 Jul , brad wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks, back-biting,

I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-26 Thread matt westerburg
Maybe we should welcome zentara instead of try to recreate the perl experience. Your not a troll either. That is very inappropriate and rather rude. Welcome to Python enjoy! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-25 Thread Martha_Jones
Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks, back-biting, scare tactings, and so on proliferate and self reinforce. All honest

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-25 Thread James Stroud
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks, back-biting, scare tactings, and so on proliferate and

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-25 Thread Abigail
_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on VLXXVI September MCMXCIII in URL:news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: }} Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up }} with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-25 Thread James Matthews
Welcome aboard On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks,

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-25 Thread J�rgen Exner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for everyone. Instead of being helpful, snide remarks, back-biting, scare tactings, and so on proliferate and

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-25 Thread James Matthews
Wow! They might leave this newsgroup now also! On 7/25/07, Jürgen Exner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Assholes in this newsgroup ruin Perl experience for

Re: I am giving up perl because of assholes on clpm -- switching to Python

2007-07-25 Thread Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Python is a better language, with php support, anyway, but I am fed up with attitudes of comp.lang.perl.misc. Please, if you must fred the troll, drop comp.lang.python from the discussion (i.e. post trplies only to the newsgroup this message relates to). -- \