Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-20 Thread Stefan Behnel
Mark Wooding, 19.11.2010 02:35: John Nagle writes: This has been pointed out many times by many people. There's even a PhD thesis on the topic. Without a few restrictions, so that a compiler can at least tell when support for the hard cases is needed, Python cannot be compiled well. Th

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-18 Thread John Nagle
On 11/18/2010 5:35 PM, Mark Wooding wrote: John Nagle writes: Python is defined by what a naive interpreter with late binding and dynamic name lookups, like CPython, can easily implement. Simply emulating the semantics of CPython with generated code doesn't help all that much. Indeed.

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-18 Thread Carl Banks
On Nov 18, 2:59 pm, Jean-Paul Calderone wrote: > On Nov 18, 1:31 pm, John Nagle wrote: > > > > > > > On 11/18/2010 4:24 AM, BartC wrote: > > > > "John Nagle" wrote in message > > >news:4ce37e01$0$1666$742ec...@news.sonic.net... > > >> On 11/16/2010 10:24 PM, swapnil wrote: > > > >>> AFAIK, the m

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-18 Thread Mark Wooding
John Nagle writes: > Python is defined by what a naive interpreter with late binding > and dynamic name lookups, like CPython, can easily implement. Simply > emulating the semantics of CPython with generated code doesn't help > all that much. Indeed. > Because you can "monkey patch"

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-18 Thread Jean-Paul Calderone
On Nov 18, 1:31 pm, John Nagle wrote: > On 11/18/2010 4:24 AM, BartC wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "John Nagle" wrote in message > >news:4ce37e01$0$1666$742ec...@news.sonic.net... > >> On 11/16/2010 10:24 PM, swapnil wrote: > > >>> AFAIK, the merging plan was approved by Guido early this year. I >

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-18 Thread Ben James
On 18/11/2010 17:50, brf...@gmail.com wrote: I do hope that it isn't dead but it unfortunately seems that way? - Braden Faulkner It looks like we'll have to get used to a laden one. Maybe if we had two, and a strand of creeper... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-18 Thread John Nagle
On 11/18/2010 4:24 AM, BartC wrote: "John Nagle" wrote in message news:4ce37e01$0$1666$742ec...@news.sonic.net... On 11/16/2010 10:24 PM, swapnil wrote: AFAIK, the merging plan was approved by Guido early this year. I guess Google is expecting the community to drive the project from here on.

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-18 Thread brf256
I do hope that it isn't dead but it unfortunately seems that way? - Braden Faulkner -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-18 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:24 AM, BartC wrote: > "John Nagle" wrote in message > news:4ce37e01$0$1666$742ec...@news.sonic.net... > > On 11/16/2010 10:24 PM, swapnil wrote: >> > > AFAIK, the merging plan was approved by Guido early this year. I guess >>> Google is expecting the community to driv

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-18 Thread BartC
"John Nagle" wrote in message news:4ce37e01$0$1666$742ec...@news.sonic.net... On 11/16/2010 10:24 PM, swapnil wrote: AFAIK, the merging plan was approved by Guido early this year. I guess Google is expecting the community to drive the project from here on. That was the whole idea for merging

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-17 Thread Philip Semanchuk
On Nov 17, 2010, at 5:09 PM, John Nagle wrote: > On 11/17/2010 12:49 PM, John Ladasky wrote: >> On Nov 16, 2:30 pm, laspi wrote: >>> Is Unladen Swallow dead? >> >> No, it's just resting. > > For those who don't get that, The Monty Python referenc

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-17 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:51:01 +0100, Alexander Kapps wrote: > On 17.11.2010 23:09, John Nagle wrote: >> On 11/17/2010 12:49 PM, John Ladasky wrote: >>> On Nov 16, 2:30 pm, laspi wrote: >>>> Is Unladen Swallow dead? >>> >>> No, it's just resting.

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-17 Thread Robert Kern
On 11/17/10 4:51 PM, Alexander Kapps wrote: On 17.11.2010 23:09, John Nagle wrote: On 11/17/2010 12:49 PM, John Ladasky wrote: On Nov 16, 2:30 pm, laspi wrote: Is Unladen Swallow dead? No, it's just resting. For those who don't get that, The Monty Python refere

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-17 Thread Alexander Kapps
On 17.11.2010 23:09, John Nagle wrote: On 11/17/2010 12:49 PM, John Ladasky wrote: On Nov 16, 2:30 pm, laspi wrote: Is Unladen Swallow dead? No, it's just resting. For those who don't get that, The Monty Python reference: "http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ebarnes/python/dead-parro

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-17 Thread John Nagle
On 11/17/2010 12:49 PM, John Ladasky wrote: On Nov 16, 2:30 pm, laspi wrote: Is Unladen Swallow dead? No, it's just resting. For those who don't get that, The Monty Python reference: "http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ebarnes/python/dead-parrot.htm"; Owner: Oh yes, the, uh

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-17 Thread John Ladasky
On Nov 16, 2:30 pm, laspi wrote: >Is Unladen Swallow dead? No, it's just resting. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-16 Thread John Nagle
On 11/16/2010 10:24 PM, swapnil wrote: On Nov 17, 3:30 am, laspi wrote: There has been little or no activity at all in this project in the last months, and the last comments on their mailing list seem to conrfim that it's future is uncertain. It's also very strange the lack of updates, news or

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-16 Thread swapnil
On Nov 17, 3:30 am, laspi wrote: > There has been little or no activity at all in this project in the > last months, and the last comments on their mailing list seem to > conrfim that it's future is uncertain. > It's also very strange the lack of updates, news or discussions, > specially consideri

Re: Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-16 Thread Dan Stromberg
I'm not a contributor to the U-S project, but I have been monitoring alternative python implementations' progress some, and seem to be adding something to pypy all of a sudden. I think unladen swallow has produced performance improvements, and they are likely to be merged into cpython 3.3. Howeve

Is Unladen Swallow dead?

2010-11-16 Thread laspi
There has been little or no activity at all in this project in the last months, and the last comments on their mailing list seem to conrfim that it's future is uncertain. It's also very strange the lack of updates, news or discussions, specially considering that the merging plan has been approved.