Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-25 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article hij24v$e7...@panix5.panix.com, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: In article 1b42700d-139a-4653-8669-d4ee2fc48...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, ikuta liu ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-25 Thread Simon Brunning
2010/1/25 Albert van der Horst alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl: If Go was to compete with anything, they would have give it a name that was Googleable. ;-) If they want it Googleable, it will be. ;-) -- Cheers, Simon B. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-25 Thread David Robinow
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Simon Brunning si...@brunningonline.net wrote: 2010/1/25 Albert van der Horst alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl: If Go was to compete with anything, they would have give it a name that was Googleable. ;-) If they want it Googleable, it will be. ;-)

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-18 Thread Phlip
On Jan 12, 7:09 am, ikuta liu ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Go language try to merge low level, hight level and browser language. Go uses := for assignment. This means, to appease the self-righteous indignation of the math professor who would claim = should mean equality... ...you gotta type a

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-18 Thread Tim Chase
Phlip wrote: On Jan 12, 7:09 am, ikuta liu ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Go language try to merge low level, hight level and browser language. Go uses := for assignment. This means, to appease the self-righteous indignation of the math professor who would claim = should mean equality... ...you

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-18 Thread David Cournapeau
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com wrote: This means, to appease the self-righteous indignation of the math professor who would claim = should mean equality... Much more likely, this is part of the stated goal of making go very easy to analyse (to build tools and so

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-18 Thread Anh Hai Trinh
On Jan 18, 6:03 pm, Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 12, 7:09 am, ikuta liu ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Go language try to merge low level, hight level and browser language. Go uses := for assignment. Except that it doesn't. := is a declaration. s := foo is short for var s string =

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-18 Thread Phlip
On Jan 18, 5:59 am, Anh Hai Trinh anh.hai.tr...@gmail.com wrote: Go uses := for assignment. Except that it doesn't. := is a declaration. Ah, and that's why Go is easy for cheap parsers to rip. Tx all! I was formerly too mortified to proceed - now I'm back in the Go camp. They fixed the

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-18 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:03:26 -0800, Phlip wrote: On Jan 12, 7:09 am, ikuta liu ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Go language try to merge low level, hight level and browser language. Go uses := for assignment. This means, to appease the self-righteous indignation of the math professor who would

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-18 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:37:36 -0800, Phlip wrote: They fixed the hideous redundancy of Java without the ill-defined scope issues of Python Which ill-defined scope issues are you referring to? -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-18 Thread MRAB
Phlip wrote: On Jan 12, 7:09 am, ikuta liu ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Go language try to merge low level, hight level and browser language. Go uses := for assignment. This means, to appease the self-righteous indignation of the math professor who would claim = should mean equality... ...you

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-17 Thread Stefan Behnel
Paul Rubin, 17.01.2010 05:06: David Cournapeau writes: And certainly, one of the big reason for the python success is easy interface with C. Maybe interfacing with C is the real reason for holding back python implementations ? The CPython/C API is not terrible but it's not all that easy

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-17 Thread Blog
On 1/12/2010 9:09 PM, ikuta liu wrote: I'm a little confused. Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language? Go language try to merge low level, hight level and browser language. Those I'd like to see it on python.. Have

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-17 Thread alex23
Blog blogtes...@gmail.com wrote: Have you not heard about the Unladen Swallow project from google? There's a new PEP coming up which will propose google's codebase to be merged with Py3k, resulting in superior performance. This kind of worries me for a number of reasons: * unladen is _way_

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-16 Thread John Nagle
Nobody wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:34:17 -0800, John Nagle wrote: Actually, no. It's quite possible to make a Python implementation that runs fast. It's just that CPython, a naive interpreter, is too primitive to do it. I was really hoping that Google would put somebody good at

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-16 Thread Steve Holden
John Nagle wrote: Nobody wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:34:17 -0800, John Nagle wrote: Actually, no. It's quite possible to make a Python implementation that runs fast. It's just that CPython, a naive interpreter, is too primitive to do it. I was really hoping that Google would put

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-16 Thread David Cournapeau
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 4:17 AM, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: Nobody wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:34:17 -0800, John Nagle wrote:    Actually, no.  It's quite possible to make a Python implementation that runs fast.  It's just that CPython, a naive interpreter, is too primitive to

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-16 Thread John Nagle
David Cournapeau wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 4:17 AM, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: Nobody wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:34:17 -0800, John Nagle wrote: Actually, no. It's quite possible to make a Python implementation that runs fast. It's just that CPython, a naive interpreter,

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-16 Thread David Cournapeau
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:43 AM, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: David Cournapeau wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 4:17 AM, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: Nobody wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:34:17 -0800, John Nagle wrote:   Actually, no.  It's quite possible to make a Python

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-16 Thread Paul Rubin
David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com writes: And certainly, one of the big reason for the python success is easy interface with C. Maybe interfacing with C is the real reason for holding back python implementations ? The CPython/C API is not terrible but it's not all that easy to use. For

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-16 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/16/2010 10:08 PM, David Cournapeau wrote: Compilation with global type inference may be a good way to speed up python, but it is not the only way. Your claim about lookups does seem to contradict how the various efficient implementations of dynamic languages work. For example, the V8

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-15 Thread John Nagle
Terry Reedy wrote: On 1/12/2010 10:17 AM, Krister Svanlund wrote: Their goal of making Go very fast to compile by machines somewhat conflicts with Python's goal of being fast to read by humans. Actually, no. It's quite possible to make a Python implementation that runs fast. It's just

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-15 Thread Nobody
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:34:17 -0800, John Nagle wrote: Actually, no. It's quite possible to make a Python implementation that runs fast. It's just that CPython, a naive interpreter, is too primitive to do it. I was really hoping that Google would put somebody good at compilers in charge

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-15 Thread hackingKK
On Saturday 16 January 2010 08:01 AM, Nobody wrote: On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:34:17 -0800, John Nagle wrote: Actually, no. It's quite possible to make a Python implementation that runs fast. It's just that CPython, a naive interpreter, is too primitive to do it. I was really hoping

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-13 Thread johan.san...@gmail.com
On Jan 13, 12:55 am, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: In article 1b42700d-139a-4653-8669-d4ee2fc48...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, ikuta liu  ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-13 Thread tanix
...@gmail.com wrote: Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language? It is not at all clear that -- despite some comments to the contrary -- the Go developers are intending to compete with Python. =A0Go seems much more intended

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-13 Thread Chris Rebert
-d4ee2fc48...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.= com, ikuta liu =A0ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language? It is not at all clear that -- despite some comments to the contrary -- the Go developers

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-13 Thread Stefan Behnel
tanix, 13.01.2010 10:06: Well, as soon as they restore the braces to identify the code blocks and provide the functionality of advanced statically type languages, such as threads, async processing, all synchronization primitives, garbage collection, events and GUI, i'd be willing to switch to

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-13 Thread Jonathan Hartley
On Jan 13, 9:06 am, ta...@mongo.net (tanix) wrote: Well, as soon as they restore the braces to identify the code blocks and provide the functionality of advanced statically type languages, such as threads, async processing, all synchronization primitives, garbage collection, events and GUI,

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-13 Thread ikuta liu
On 1月13日, 上午7時55分, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: In article 1b42700d-139a-4653-8669-d4ee2fc48...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, ikuta liu  ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-13 Thread tanix
In article mailman.901.1263452854.28905.python-l...@python.org, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:53:19 -0800 (PST), johan.san...@gmail.com johan.san...@gmail.com declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: GoPython i think would be neat.

Is python not good enough?

2010-01-12 Thread ikuta liu
I'm a little confused. Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language? Go language try to merge low level, hight level and browser language. Those I'd like to see it on python.. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-12 Thread Stefan Behnel
ikuta liu, 12.01.2010 16:09: I'm a little confused. Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language? Go language try to merge low level, hight level and browser language. Those I'd like to see it on python.. I think

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-12 Thread Krister Svanlund
a little confused. Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language? Go language try to merge low level, hight level and browser language. Those I'd like to see it on python.. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-12 Thread Ethan Furman
[please don't top-post] Krister Svanlund wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:09 PM, ikuta liu ikut...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused. Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language? Go language try to merge low level

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-12 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/12/2010 10:17 AM, Krister Svanlund wrote: Every language has it uses and Google obviously thought that it would take more resources to get Python to the level they need it than to start using Go. 'Google' does not think. Go builds on previous works by the main developers. I doubt that

Re: Is python not good enough?

2010-01-12 Thread Aahz
In article 1b42700d-139a-4653-8669-d4ee2fc48...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com, ikuta liu ikut...@gmail.com wrote: Is python not good enough? for google, enhance python performance is the good way better then choose build Go language? It is not at all clear that -- despite some comments