Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-04 Thread Albert-Jan Roskam
t: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 7:00:48 AM To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior) On Tuesday 04 October 2016 14:51, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 10/03/2016 08:21 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> On Tue, 4 Oct 2016

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tuesday 04 October 2016 14:51, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 10/03/2016 08:21 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 05:48 am, Michael Torrie wrote: >> >>> There is that old, but false, saying that the only intuitive interface >>> is the nipple. Turns out everything, even that, is learn

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread Gregory Ewing
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 10:57:27 -0700 (PDT), sohcahto...@gmail.com declaimed the following: > My car is similar, but the R is actually to the left of 1. It looks like this: R 1 3 5 +-+-+-+ 2 4 6 Mine is actually like that too, but it feels like you're doing the same thing in both cases -- push l

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread Michael Torrie
On 10/03/2016 08:21 PM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 05:48 am, Michael Torrie wrote: > >> There is that old, but false, saying that the only intuitive interface >> is the nipple. Turns out everything, even that, is learned > > Citation required. Sure, just ask a nursing woman. >

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Tue, 4 Oct 2016 05:48 am, Michael Torrie wrote: > There is that old, but false, saying that the only intuitive interface > is the nipple.  Turns out everything, even that, is learned Citation required. Of course many things are intuitive/instinctive, e.g. breathing, but as far as *interfaces*

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread Gregory Ewing
BartC wrote: On 03/10/2016 12:53, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Well, it could be worse. This layout is pretty traditional: 1 3 5 | | | +--+--+ | | | 2 4 R Yes, you get a funny grinding sound when attempting to change from 5th to '6th' at 70mph/110kph. Fortunately it doe

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread Michael Torrie
On 10/03/2016 11:57 AM, sohcahto...@gmail.com wrote: > Surprisingly, despite driving that previous car for 13 years, the switch was > incredibly easy. I've never accidentally gone to sixth gear instead of > reverse, or forgotten to shift into sixth on the highway. Also, accidentally > going in

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread Michael Torrie
On 10/03/2016 03:10 AM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Rustom Mody wrote: >> My new car goes in reverse when I put it in first gear but only on full-moon >> nights with the tank on reserve when the left light is blinking > > OT aside: When I went to take my current car (a manual) > for a test drive, I ha

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread sohcahtoa82
On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 2:11:12 AM UTC-7, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Rustom Mody wrote: > > My new car goes in reverse when I put it in first gear but only on > > full-moon > > nights with the tank on reserve when the left light is blinking > > OT aside: When I went to take my current car (a m

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread breamoreboy
On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 5:41:23 PM UTC+1, BartC wrote: > On 03/10/2016 16:03, wrote: > > On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 12:53:55 PM UTC+1, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > >> Gregory Ewing: > >> > >>> Turns out the only difference between first and reverse on that model > >>> is whether you lift up a l

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread BartC
On 03/10/2016 16:03, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 12:53:55 PM UTC+1, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Gregory Ewing: Turns out the only difference between first and reverse on that model is whether you lift up a little ring on the shaft of the gear lever prior to engagement.

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread breamoreboy
On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 12:53:55 PM UTC+1, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Gregory Ewing: > > > Turns out the only difference between first and reverse on that model > > is whether you lift up a little ring on the shaft of the gear lever > > prior to engagement. > > > > Who came up with *that* brill

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread BartC
On 03/10/2016 12:53, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Gregory Ewing : Turns out the only difference between first and reverse on that model is whether you lift up a little ring on the shaft of the gear lever prior to engagement. Who came up with *that* brilliant piece of user interface design I don't kno

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread alister
On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 22:10:52 +1300, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Rustom Mody wrote: >> My new car goes in reverse when I put it in first gear but only on >> full-moon nights with the tank on reserve when the left light is >> blinking > > OT aside: When I went to take my current car (a manual) for a tes

Re: Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Gregory Ewing : > Turns out the only difference between first and reverse on that model > is whether you lift up a little ring on the shaft of the gear lever > prior to engagement. > > Who came up with *that* brilliant piece of user interface design I > don't know. It seems specifically designed t

Is that forwards first or backwards first? (Re: unintuitive for-loop behavior)

2016-10-03 Thread Gregory Ewing
Rustom Mody wrote: My new car goes in reverse when I put it in first gear but only on full-moon nights with the tank on reserve when the left light is blinking OT aside: When I went to take my current car (a manual) for a test drive, I had to stop and ask the dealer how to put it into reverse.