Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Robert Kern
On 2013-02-21 17:05, Roland Koebler wrote: Hi, The situation has not substantively changed, but your description of it is not really accurate. There was and still is a "commercial license" which allows for completely proprietary development without needing to allow end users to relink the appli

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, > The situation has not substantively changed, but your description of > it is not really accurate. There was and still is a "commercial > license" which allows for completely proprietary development without > needing to allow end users to relink the application against > user-supplied version

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Robert Kern
On 2013-02-21 10:18, Steve Simmons wrote: On 21/02/2013 11:08, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB wrote: On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, > How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. you can -- MIT/BSD/public domain etc. provide much more freedom to the developer. (And I prefer freedom for the developer over the guarantee (freedom or restriction -- call it as you wish) that nobody may lock down a copy of the sourceco

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Steve Simmons
On 21/02/2013 11:08, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB wrote: On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) - read the licensing rules. How

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:20 PM, PythonAB wrote: > > On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: > >> On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: >>> 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) >>> - read the licensing rules. >> >> How so? It's LGPL. You can't get

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-21 Thread PythonAB
On 21 feb 2013, at 04:45, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: >> 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) >> - read the licensing rules. > > How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of > code and devel

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Michael Torrie
On 02/20/2013 12:44 AM, Steve Simmons wrote: > 2. Qt isn't 'free' (depending on what you are going to be doing with it) > - read the licensing rules. How so? It's LGPL. You can't get much freer than that. Both in terms of code and developer freedom, and proprietary freedom. -- http://mail.pyth

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Dietmar Schwertberger
Am 19.02.2013 23:19, schrieb Rex Macey: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. There are GUI builders, but unfortunately there's none

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 2/19/13 5:19 PM, Rex Macey wrote: I see that there is TKinter, which is a scripting function to build GUIs. To be clear, I'm looking for a graphical interface to build GUIs. Tkinter is so easy to use to build GUI's that a GUI tool isn't needed. Hardly any Tk or Tkinter developer uses anyth

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Laszlo Nagy
You have to think about your window differently - think about what you're putting where, rather than going visually "that looks about right" - but the reward is that it'll look right no matter where you run your app. As an added bonus, you don't need any sort of graphical builder; you can just w

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Laszlo Nagy wrote: > >> You have to think about your window differently - think about what >> you're putting where, rather than going visually "that looks about >> right" - but the reward is that it'll look right no matter where you >> run your app. As an added bo

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi Phil, > > In Qt Designer (at least in 4.x), the default is a fixed layout, where > > I have to position the widgets at precise pixel-positions and have to > > define the size in pixels. And I cannot remove the default fixed layout > > without modifying the .ui-file in a text editor! > > I'm so

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Phil Thompson
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 11:42:48 +0100, Roland Koebler wrote: > Hi, > >> > [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But >> > it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only >> > supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt does >> >

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, > > [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But > > it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only > > supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt does > > not have such a "container"-concept, where many widgets (e.g. butto

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, > I agree that on Linux GTK is pretty darn slick. I use it for all my > little GUIs. But on Windows, GTK, particularly under python, isn't > quite as easy to get running. installing GTK+ 2.x should be easy, since there are all-in-one-installers for windows on http://www.gtk.org (for GTK+) an

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Roland Koebler wrote: > Hi, > >> That way of building a window tends to produce programs that port >> badly to other systems. > hmm, I don't think so. I've build several applications in C + GTK/Glade and > Python + GTK/Glade, which easily run on Linux and Windows w

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Phil Thompson
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:34:50 +0100, Roland Koebler ... > [q] In Qt, it's also possible to generate such flexible layouts. But > it's unfortunately not the default way in Qt, and the Qt designer only > supports it rudimentarily, and in a much less obvious way. And Qt does > not have such a "conta

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-20 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, > That way of building a window tends to produce programs that port > badly to other systems. hmm, I don't think so. I've build several applications in C + GTK/Glade and Python + GTK/Glade, which easily run on Linux and Windows without any GUI changes. > playing with Java applets introduced >

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Steve Simmons
On 19/02/2013 23:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to buil

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Michael Torrie
On 02/19/2013 07:53 PM, Roland Koebler wrote: > Hi, > >> I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago >> I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) >> facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development >> environment. I'm wondering if there's a ut

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Roland Koebler
Hi, > I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used > Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating > GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's > a utility for Python to build GUIs. yes, there are seve

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread duncan smith
On 19/02/13 22:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Miki Tebeka
> I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. IIRC the Qt builder can generate Python code. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Phil
On 20/02/13 08:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Rex Macey wrote: > I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used > Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating > GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's > a utility

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Rex Macey wrote: > I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used > Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating > GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's > a utility

Re: Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 19/02/2013 22:19, Rex Macey wrote: I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to buil

Is there a graphical GUI builder?

2013-02-19 Thread Rex Macey
I'm new to Python and only a hobbyist programmer. A long time ago I used Microsoft's Visual Basic which had a nice (graphical) facility for creating GUIs which was part of the development environment. I'm wondering if there's a utility for Python to build GUIs. I see that there is TKinter, wh