Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-11 Thread Grant Edwards
I just installed Arch Linux for the first time, and was surprosed to find that Python isn't installed as part of a "base" system. It's also not included in the 'base-devel' package group. It's trivial to install, but I'd still pretty surprised it's not there by default. I guess I've spent too mu

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-11 Thread Chris Rebert
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > I just installed Arch Linux for the first time, and was surprosed to > find that Python isn't installed as part of a "base" system. It's > also not included in the 'base-devel' package group. It's trivial to > install, but I'd still pretty

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-11, Chris Rebert wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Grant Edwards > wrote: >> I just installed Arch Linux for the first time, and was surprosed to >> find that Python isn't installed as part of a "base" system. It's >> also not included in the 'base-devel' package group. It'

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-11 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Grant Edwards wrote: > Apparently. Perhaps theres an "enable LSB compliance" option > somewhere in the Arch install docs, but I didn't see it... Also beware that, unlike most other distributions and contrary to recommended practice, Arch has chosen to make Python 3 its default, th

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-11 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Ned Deily wrote: > In article , > Grant Edwards wrote: >> Apparently. Perhaps theres an "enable LSB compliance" option >> somewhere in the Arch install docs, but I didn't see it... > > Also beware that, unlike most other distributions and contrary to > recommend

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-11 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-11, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Ned Deily wrote: >> In article , >> Grant Edwards wrote: >>> Apparently. Perhaps theres an "enable LSB compliance" option >>> somewhere in the Arch install docs, but I didn't see it... >> >> Also beware that, unlike most o

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-11 Thread Rustom Mody
On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:23:57 AM UTC+5:30, Grant Edwards wrote: > I just installed Arch Linux for the first time, and was surprosed to > find that Python isn't installed as part of a "base" system. It's > also not included in the 'base-devel' package group. It's trivial to > install, but I

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-12 Thread Ned Deily
In article , Chris Angelico wrote: > Well, it only *became* contrary to recommended practice in response to > Arch doing it and everyone seeing the issues it caused :) Personally, > I'm glad they did. Lets those of us who follow "slower" distros (I'm > running Debian) get the benefit of someone

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-12 Thread David Palao
2014-08-11 23:36 GMT+02:00 Ned Deily : > In article , > Grant Edwards wrote: >> Apparently. Perhaps theres an "enable LSB compliance" option >> somewhere in the Arch install docs, but I didn't see it... > > Also beware that, unlike most other distributions and contrary to > recommended practice,

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-12 Thread Fabien
On 12.08.2014 09:59, David Palao wrote: Also Gentoo uses Python3 by default for some months now. The positive side effect for me has been that I started seriously to switch to python3. it's a matter of months for debian/ubuntu to rely only on python3 code too, while still respecting PEP 394:

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-12 Thread Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > I just installed Arch Linux for the first time, and was surprosed to > find that Python isn't installed as part of a "base" system. It's > also not included in the 'base-devel' package group. It's trivial to > install, but I'd still pretty

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-12 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-08-12, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Grant Edwards > wrote: >> I just installed Arch Linux for the first time, and was surprosed to >> find that Python isn't installed as part of a "base" system. It's >> also not included in the 'base-devel' package

Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation

2014-08-12 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2014-08-12, Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Grant Edwards >> wrote: >>> I just installed Arch Linux for the first time, and was surprosed to >>> find that Python isn't installed as part of a "base" sy