Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-22 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-12-22, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Grant Edwards > wrote: >> On 2015-12-21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >>> So as far as I am concerned, if changes of subject line breaks threading for >>> you, so sad, too bad. Go without threading or use a better mail client. >> >

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-22 Thread Tim Chase
On 2015-12-21 23:24, Jon Ribbens wrote: > That sounds a bit confused - if the *intention* of changing the > subject line is to create a new thread, then breaking the thread > is not "breaking threading" ;-) I'm pretty sure that the purpose is not to *break* the thread, but to suggest that the sub-

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-22 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2015-12-21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> So as far as I am concerned, if changes of subject line breaks threading for >> you, so sad, too bad. Go without threading or use a better mail client. > > Same here. After getting what is effectiv

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-22 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-12-21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > So as far as I am concerned, if changes of subject line breaks threading for > you, so sad, too bad. Go without threading or use a better mail client. Same here. After getting what is effectively a "F*&# Y*& I'm too lazy to do things right" from multiple

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field

2015-12-22 Thread Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
Random832 wrote: > This makes sense for the change from "old" to "new (was: old)", > which nobody was advocating against (after all, there's semantic > content - they wouldn't have changed the subject line if they > didn't consider it a new discussion topic), but I think there is > a reasonable ar

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field

2015-12-21 Thread Random832
Cameron Simpson writes: > Besides, changing the Subject line is _supposed_ to break the > threading in these contexts: such clients clearly consider the > discussion topic (subject) as sufficient definition of a thread, and > changing the topic should imply a new thread to such simplistic > client

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-21 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 22Dec2015 10:14, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:44 am, Jon Ribbens wrote about mail clients that use the Subject line to thread messages: Also: Thunderbird, The Bat!, Eudora, Gnus, Outlook, Outlook Express, Pegasus Mail, Pine, Apple Mail, Windows Live Mail, Yahoo Mail, Evolut

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Jon Ribbens wrote: > On 2015-12-21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> The whole purpose of the change of subject is to indicate in a human-visible >> way that the subject of the thread has changed, i.e. that it is a new >> thread derived from the old one. If that breaks t

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-21 Thread Jon Ribbens
On 2015-12-21, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:44 am, Jon Ribbens wrote about mail clients that use > the Subject line to thread messages: >> Also: Thunderbird, The Bat!, Eudora, Gnus, Outlook, Outlook Express, >> Pegasus Mail, Pine, Apple Mail, Windows Live Mail, Yahoo Mail, >> Ev

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-21 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:44 am, Jon Ribbens wrote about mail clients that use the Subject line to thread messages: > Also: Thunderbird, The Bat!, Eudora, Gnus, Outlook, Outlook Express, > Pegasus Mail, Pine, Apple Mail, Windows Live Mail, Yahoo Mail, > Evolution, SquirrelMail, KMail, Windows Mail, e

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field

2015-12-21 Thread Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
Jon Ribbens wrote: > On 2015-12-21, Ian Kelly wrote: >> I can't specifically recall if I've used any MUA other than Gmail that >> even attempts threading email messages. > > Also: Thunderbird, The Bat!, Eudora, Gnus, Outlook, Outlook Express, > Pegasus Mail, Pine, Apple Mail, Windows Live Mail,

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-21 Thread Jon Ribbens
On 2015-12-21, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Ben Finney > wrote: >> Ian Kelly writes: >>> This isn't just a Usenet group; it's also a mailing list, and many >>> MUAs rely on the Subject header for proper threading. >> >> If such MUAs do that, they're misinterpreting the Su

Re: Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Ian Kelly writes: >> This isn't just a Usenet group; it's also a mailing list, and many >> MUAs rely on the Subject header for proper threading. > > If such MUAs do that, they're misinterpreting the Subject field. Other > fields are available w

Meaning and purpose of the Subject field (was: Ignore error with non-zero exit status)

2015-12-21 Thread Ben Finney
Ian Kelly writes: > Better yet, please don't change the Subject header for trivial reasons > in the first place. When the subject of the ongoing discussion changes, it's normal to change the Subject field accordingly. I agree with your admonition against trivial alterations to that field; I hop