Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Holden
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:27:39 -0800, Alex Martelli wrote: Or some even more stringent qualification, such as the state's Bar exam for lawyers -- you may not be able to sit for that exam w/o the appropriate degree, but the degree by itself is not enough, you still have to

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership!Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Richard Brodie
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrong [see above]. I don't remember many mediaeval cathedrals falling down. Your memory of medieval times has gone a bit hazy I expect; in truth, some would fall down from time to time, particularly if the builders tried

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:13:01 +, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: attempt to draw direct comparisons. Maybe having an uncle helped you in to the trade, but it didn't cut you much slack in terms of required standards, hence the absence of cathedral-shaped heaps of rubble. York

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Anton Vredegoor
Steve Holden wrote: Consider yourself excused. Thanks. Anton -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 -Leadership!Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Richard Brodie wrote: Wrong [see above]. I don't remember many mediaeval cathedrals falling down. Your memory of medieval times has gone a bit hazy I expect probably because he was hit in the head by a falling stone during a trip to southern france, many years ago. /F --

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The major problem with professional bodies is precisely their lack of insistence on a practical demonstration of capability. Paper MCSEs, for example, frequently make bad Windows system administrators because their education has

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-10 Thread Steve Holden
Anton Vredegoor wrote: [stuuf] 'excuse me if I sound a bit bitter and as if suffering from a sense of untitlement' Consider yourself excused. Now stop whining and go do the things you *can*. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-06 Thread David T
On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:54 PM, Brian van den Broek wrote: Steven D'Aprano said unto the world upon 03/01/06 07:33 PM: On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:27:39 -0800, Alex Martelli wrote: Or some even more stringent qualification, such as the state's Bar exam for lawyers -- you may not be able to sit

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-05 Thread Anton Vredegoor
DaveM wrote: On 3 Jan 2006 20:09:34 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: Unfortunately, this isn't quite true. Medicine and law both require the passing of an apprenticeship, so there's still some room for favoritism and blackballing. In the UK, in Medicine, House Officer jobs pretty

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Brian van den Broek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I do realize that US data isn't most pertinent to Steven, Alex or myself -- au, it, ca -- but it is ready to hand. Shamefully, my Actually, I've been living in the US for over 9 months now, and like all immigrants I have more dealings with

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-04 Thread DaveM
On 3 Jan 2006 20:09:34 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: Unfortunately, this isn't quite true. Medicine and law both require the passing of an apprenticeship, so there's still some room for favoritism and blackballing. In the UK, in Medicine, House Officer jobs pretty much match the

OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:27:39 -0800, Alex Martelli wrote: Or some even more stringent qualification, such as the state's Bar exam for lawyers -- you may not be able to sit for that exam w/o the appropriate degree, but the degree by itself is not enough, you still have to pass the exam. It is

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-03 Thread Aahz
[much stuff deleted that I mostly agree with to get at an interesting chunk of disagreement] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By contrast, today's professional bodies like law, medicine etc. have independent standards of skill that must be met. I don't wish