Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The major problem with professional bodies is precisely their lack of >insistence on a practical demonstration of capability. "Paper MCSEs", >for example, frequently make bad Windows system administrators because >their edu

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 -Leadership!Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Richard Brodie wrote: > > Wrong [see above]. I don't remember many mediaeval cathedrals falling down. > > Your memory of medieval times has gone a bit hazy I expect probably because he was hit in the head by a falling stone during a trip to southern france, many years ago. -- http://mail.p

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Anton Vredegoor
Steve Holden wrote: > Consider yourself excused. Thanks. Anton -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:13:01 +, Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > attempt to draw direct comparisons. Maybe having an uncle helped you in > to the trade, but it didn't cut you much slack in terms of required > standards, hence the absence of cathedral-shaped heaps of rubble.

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership!Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Richard Brodie
"Steve Holden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Wrong [see above]. I don't remember many mediaeval cathedrals falling down. Your memory of medieval times has gone a bit hazy I expect; in truth, some would fall down from time to time, particularly if the builders tri

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-11 Thread Steve Holden
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:27:39 -0800, Alex Martelli wrote: > > >>Or some even more stringent qualification, such as the state's Bar exam >>for lawyers -- you may not be able to sit for that exam w/o the >>appropriate degree, but the degree by itself is not enough, you still

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-10 Thread Steve Holden
Anton Vredegoor wrote: [stuuf] > > 'excuse me if I sound a bit bitter and as if suffering from a sense of > untitlement' > Consider yourself excused. Now stop whining and go do the things you *can*. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-06 Thread David T
On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:54 PM, Brian van den Broek wrote: > Steven D'Aprano said unto the world upon 03/01/06 07:33 PM: >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:27:39 -0800, Alex Martelli wrote: >> >> >>> Or some even more stringent qualification, such as the state's >>> Bar exam >>> for lawyers -- you may not b

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-05 Thread Anton Vredegoor
DaveM wrote: > On 3 Jan 2006 20:09:34 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: > > >Unfortunately, this isn't quite true. Medicine and law both require the > >passing of an apprenticeship, so there's still some room for favoritism > >and blackballing. > > In the UK, in Medicine, House Officer jobs

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-04 Thread DaveM
On 3 Jan 2006 20:09:34 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote: >Unfortunately, this isn't quite true. Medicine and law both require the >passing of an apprenticeship, so there's still some room for favoritism >and blackballing. In the UK, in Medicine, House Officer jobs pretty much match the qual

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-04 Thread Alex Martelli
Brian van den Broek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (I do realize that US data isn't most pertinent to Steven, Alex or > myself -- au, it, ca -- but it is ready to hand. Shamefully, my Actually, I've been living in the US for over 9 months now, and like all immigrants I have more dealings with law

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-03 Thread Brian van den Broek
Steven D'Aprano said unto the world upon 03/01/06 07:33 PM: > On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:27:39 -0800, Alex Martelli wrote: > > >>Or some even more stringent qualification, such as the state's Bar exam >>for lawyers -- you may not be able to sit for that exam w/o the >>appropriate degree, but the degr

Re: OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-03 Thread Aahz
[much stuff deleted that I mostly agree with to get at an interesting chunk of disagreement] In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >By contrast, today's professional bodies like law, medicine etc. have >independent standards of skill that must be met. I don'

OT: Degrees as barriers to entry [was Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF]

2006-01-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:27:39 -0800, Alex Martelli wrote: > Or some even more stringent qualification, such as the state's Bar exam > for lawyers -- you may not be able to sit for that exam w/o the > appropriate degree, but the degree by itself is not enough, you still > have to pass the exam. It