"Florian Diesch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
8<--
>In Germany "von" is just a part of the name since 1919 when the nobility
>was abolished by law.
Thanks - was not aware of this - 1919 - just after the Great War, 1914-1918...
- Hendrik
"Hendrik van Rooyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hendrik van
>> Rooyen wrote:
>>
>> > "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > 8<
>> >
On 2006-10-11, Theerasak Photha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/10/06, Piet van Oostrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (RS) wrote:
>>
>> >RS> It's the same here in Belgium. Except that our Van is with a capital V
>> >in
>> >RS> most cases; if it's a lower
On 10/11/06, Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My observation is that in general names keep hanging on to archaic forms
> much longer than normal language. Examples:
>
> - A very common name around here is Hendrickx. In normal language, the
> 'ckx' construction is replaced with 'ks'.
> -
Theerasak Photha schreef:
> On 10/10/06, Piet van Oostrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (RS) wrote:
>>> RS> It's the same here in Belgium. Except that our Van is with a capital V
>>> in
>>> RS> most cases; if it's a lower v it either indicates nobility or a
John J. Lee wrote:
> Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [...]
> > > There would also need to be a flag field to indicate the canonical
> > > ordering
> > > for writing out the full name: e.g. family-name-first, given-names-first.
> > > Do we need something else for the Vietnamese case?
> >
On 10/10/06, Piet van Oostrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (RS) wrote:
>
> >RS> It's the same here in Belgium. Except that our Van is with a capital V in
> >RS> most cases; if it's a lower v it either indicates nobility or a Dutch
> >name.
>
> >RS> I don't
> Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (RS) wrote:
>RS> It's the same here in Belgium. Except that our Van is with a capital V in
>RS> most cases; if it's a lower v it either indicates nobility or a Dutch name.
>RS> I don't see it as a problem. I prefer having Van Straeten and Van Stralen
>RS>
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It seems like some sort of free text search on a "full name" field looks like
> the only realistic globally-acceptable (?) option.
This is what we opted doing. Normalization to this level wouldn't add much
since there are a lot of "Smith"s that aren't r
"Theerasak Photha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Also 'da' for Portuguese, which means roughly same as
> Nederlands/Vlaams. Maybe. As usual: IANAE.
It looks like the same but at least here in Brasil it isn't considered for
sorting ("da Silva" should be sorted under "Silva", "de Souza" under "Souz
Theerasak Photha wrote:
> On 10/7/06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>Just because most Western designers of databases do it wrong doesn't mean
>>that a) you should do it wrong, or b) they will continue to do it wrong
>>into the future, as increasing numbers of those designer
On 10/7/06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just because most Western designers of databases do it wrong doesn't mean
> that a) you should do it wrong, or b) they will continue to do it wrong
> into the future, as increasing numbers of those designers come from Asian
> and other n
Hendrik van Rooyen schreef:
> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hendrik van
>> Rooyen wrote:
>>
>>> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> 8<
>>>
I wonder if we nee
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hendrik van
> Rooyen wrote:
>
> > "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 8<
> >
> >> I wonder if we need another "middle" field for holding
John J. Lee wrote:
> "John Machin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [...]
> > This is all a bit OT. Before we close the thread down
>
> Do you have a warrant for that?
I have some signed-but-otherwise-blank warrants, but I'm saving them
for other threads :-)
>
> > , let me leave
> > you with one w
"John Machin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> This is all a bit OT. Before we close the thread down
Do you have a warrant for that?
> , let me leave
> you with one warning:
> Beware of enthusiastic maintenance programmers on a mission to clean up
> the dirty names in your database:
> E.g. (1
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> > There would also need to be a flag field to indicate the canonical
> > ordering
> > for writing out the full name: e.g. family-name-first, given-names-first.
> > Do we need something else for the Vietnamese case?
>
> You'd think some standards bod
"Dennis Lee Bieber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
8<--
> In the days of paper filing (I actually took Shorthand, and a
> Business Machines & Filing course in High School to avoid Phys.Ed.) the
> training for things like oriental names was to choose one for "surname
Steve Holden wrote:
>
> Don't forget the UK, where the scots are accommodated by filing Mc
> before Mac everywhere except the 'phone book, where IIRC they are
> treated as equivalent.
Same/similar phone book treatment here in Australia -- Mc is treated as
though it were spelled Mac. An interestin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hendrik van
Rooyen wrote:
> "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 8<
>
>> I wonder if we need another "middle" field for holding the "bin/binte"
>> part (could also hold, e.g. "Van" for those n
gt;>Iceland; neither is addressing Jon Jonsson as "Mr Jonsson", and BTW it
>>can be their mother's name e.g. if she has more fame or recognition
>>than their father.
>
>
> Your bringing up the phone directory is a good point. That's probably the
&
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
8<
> I wonder if we need another "middle" field for holding the "bin/binte" part
> (could also hold, e.g. "Van" for those names that use this).
NO! - I think of my surname as "van Rooyen"
onsson", and BTW it
> can be their mother's name e.g. if she has more fame or recognition
> than their father.
Your bringing up the phone directory is a good point. That's probably the
most widely-consulted list of people's names around, so it's worthwhile
following whate
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > There would also need to be a flag field to indicate the canonical
> > ordering
> > for writing out the full name: e.g. family-name-first, given-names-first.
> > Do we need something else for the Vietnamese case?
>
> You'd think some standards body woul
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve
> Holden wrote:
>
>
>>John Machin wrote:
>>
>>[lots of explanation about peculiarities of people's names]
>>
>>While I don't dispute any of this erudite displ
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve
> Holden wrote:
>
> > John Machin wrote:
> >
> > [lots of explanation about peculiarities of people's names]
> >
> > While I don't dispute any of this erudite display of
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve
Holden wrote:
> John Machin wrote:
>
> [lots of explanation about peculiarities of people's names]
>
> While I don't dispute any of this erudite display of esoteric
> nomenclature wisdom the fact remains that many (predomin
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