Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-22 Thread Carl Friedrich Bolz
Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote: >> In England the corresponding expression is "Counting Angels on a >> Pinhead" >> http://dannyayers.com/2001/misc/angels.htm >> > > Thanks, that is neat. I find the discussion on the sex of the angels, > well, sexier. But we are probably a few hundred years late to

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-21 Thread Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
On 20 Jan 2007 14:19:12 -0800, Isaac Gouy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote: > > On 20 Jan 2007 11:34:46 -0800, Isaac Gouy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (...) > > > > > > And that's why the existence of CINT is such a stark reminder of the > > > separation between the language

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-20 Thread Fuzzyman
Carl Friedrich Bolz wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Looking over the benchmarks, one gains the impression that Python is a > >>> slow language. > >> What does that even mean - a slow language? > >> > > > > The alioth benchmarks provide a set of numbers by which > > languages may be

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-20 Thread Isaac Gouy
Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote: > On 20 Jan 2007 11:34:46 -0800, Isaac Gouy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote: > > > On 1/20/07, Carl Friedrich Bolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >>> Looking over the benchmarks, one gains the impression th

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-20 Thread Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
On 20 Jan 2007 11:34:46 -0800, Isaac Gouy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote: > > On 1/20/07, Carl Friedrich Bolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>> Looking over the benchmarks, one gains the impression that Python is > > > a > > > >>> slow l

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-20 Thread Isaac Gouy
Ramon Diaz-Uriarte wrote: > On 1/20/07, Carl Friedrich Bolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> Looking over the benchmarks, one gains the impression that Python is a > > >>> slow language. > > >> What does that even mean - a slow language? > > >> > > > > > > The

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-20 Thread Isaac Gouy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Isaac Gouy wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Alioth is a great site for selecting the language in which to implement > > > primitives. Usually it's C. > > > > And for selecting a language for which you might need to implement > > primitives in C :-) > > Well if y

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-20 Thread Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
On 1/20/07, Carl Friedrich Bolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Looking over the benchmarks, one gains the impression that Python is a > >>> slow language. > >> What does that even mean - a slow language? > >> > > > > The alioth benchmarks provide a set of numbers

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-20 Thread Carl Friedrich Bolz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Looking over the benchmarks, one gains the impression that Python is a >>> slow language. >> What does that even mean - a slow language? >> > > The alioth benchmarks provide a set of numbers by which > languages may be compared. Wrong. The benchmarks provide a s

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-20 Thread bearophileHUGS
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > In reality the choice would be C++ because of OO and STL. I have seen that when Python+Psyco are too much slow, D language is a good sweet half point between Python and C++ :-) Fast as C++ and with a simpler syntax and semantics (Pyrex isn't bad, but D gives high-level things

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-19 Thread pgarrone
Isaac Gouy wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Alioth is a great site for selecting the language in which to implement > > primitives. Usually it's C. > > And for selecting a language for which you might need to implement > primitives in C :-) Well if you like C so much, just do it in C. ":-)"

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-19 Thread Isaac Gouy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alioth is a great site for selecting the language in which to implement > primitives. Usually it's C. And for selecting a language for which you might need to implement primitives in C :-) > > Two of the alioth benchmarks, Partial-sums and Spectral-norm, could be > don

Re: Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-19 Thread pgarrone
Alioth is a great site for selecting the language in which to implement primitives. Usually it's C. Two of the alioth benchmarks, Partial-sums and Spectral-norm, could be done using Numarray, or would be done with Numarray if most of the program was in Python and there was a need to implement a si

Py 2.5 on Language Shootout

2007-01-19 Thread bearophileHUGS
The The Computer Language Shootout has just published results for Python 2.5 and Psyco 1.5.2. Comparing the old (Python 2.4) Gentoo Pentium 4 results (now not visible anymore) with the new results, I have seen that all the tests with Python 2.5 are faster than the ones with Python 2.4 (some results