On 9 Mar, 02:32, John Nagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Dedicated server offerings]
I'm not so familiar with dedicated servers, being unlikely to buy into that kind of hosting any time soon - I'm not running a business with serious reliability/control/uptime constraints where I could justify spending that kind of money. However... > In neither case is the Python environment typically ready for serious use > out of the box. Well, I can't say much about the off-the-shelf, locked down solutions with Plesk control panels, but if you just get a box with the pipes ("an empty machine in a rack"), you make from that what you will. Such a solution isn't likely to be any good for Perl, PHP or Ruby out of the box, either. I mean, what's the operating system? Do you have to provide that? If so, any modern GNU/Linux distribution would give you lots of acceptable packages for Python. > There's denial in the Python community that this is a problem, but it is. > The Ruby on Rails people get it; they work to provide a seamless experience > for web developers. Which is why their market share is way up over two years > ago. They got a number of things right. However, the big difference as I see it is that instead of wondering why various providers don't support Rails, they've either gone and started their own (including virtual private server solutions), or they've found existing, flexible providers (such as WebFaction) who were already providing lots of plumbing for various Python-based solutions and persuaded them to provide support for Rails. Last time I looked, Rails deployment situation seemed closely tied to FastCGI and a lot of other stuff that is arguably less attractive to various hosting providers than many of the ways you can deploy Python Web solutions. As for the denial, I can see your point to an extent. Before the Rails hype there were discussions about making Python solutions as attractive to deploy as PHP solutions, but a lot of the "movers and shakers" in the Python Web community seem to have the luxury of managing their own Internet-facing infrastructure. Thus, any progress really has to be driven by people like you with your own hosting requirements. Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list